A P4P Record

[koolkc107]

1) Ward
1B) Kovalev
2) Crawford
3) Spence
4) M.Garcia
5) Alvarez
6) Thurman
7) Rigondeauz
8) Joshua
9) Gonzalez
10) Lomachenko

[soul_survivor]

1) Ward
1B) Kovalev
2) Crawford
3) Spence
4) M.Garcia
5) Alvarez
6) Thurman
7) Rigondeauz
8) Joshua
9) Gonzalez
10) Lomachenko

Why is Rigo on that list, let alone above Loma, RG and AJ? How'd spence jump up above Alvarez? Why is Mikey on there?

[koolkc107]

Why is Rigo on that list, let alone above Loma, RG and AJ? How'd spence jump up above Alvarez? Why is Mikey on there?

Rigo has a better win over better competition than those 3.

Spence's win over Brook is better than any win on Canelo's resume.

Mikey has wins over great competition, at least one of them inside the distance vs a guy with a W over someone else on the P4P list/

My criteria is basically eye test + who you have beat (and who THEY have beat and loss to).

[Canelo and GGG]

Rigo has a better win over better competition than those 3.

Spence's win over Brook is better than any win on Canelo's resume.

Mikey has wins over great competition, at least one of them inside the distance vs a guy with a W over someone else on the P4P list/

My criteria is basically eye test + who you have beat (and who THEY have beat and loss to).

"Spence win over Brook is better then any win on Alvarez resume"

man ******* is hell of a drug

[soul_survivor]

Rigo has a better win over better competition than those 3.

Spence's win over Brook is better than any win on Canelo's resume.

Mikey has wins over great competition, at least one of them inside the distance vs a guy with a W over someone else on the P4P list/

My criteria is basically eye test + who you have beat (and who THEY have beat and loss to).

Rigo doesnt have a single win which equates to AJ beating Wlad...and any good wins he does have were half a decade ago.

Nope, thats ridiculous about Spence. Canelo has a career of world class wins.

Mikey hasn't been a truly world class operator in years.

You havent followed your own criteria smg

[soul_survivor]

1. Terence Crawford (1st week at the top)
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Sergey Kovalev
5. Saul Alvarez
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Anthony Joshua
8. Naoya Inoue
9. Keith Thurman (moves up due to Yamanaka's loss)
10. Juan Francisco Estrada (steps back in)

What's so exciting is how the top p4p picture can change again depending on how the Alvarez and GGG fight plays out.

[soul_survivor]

Big Changes

1. Terence Crawford (1st week at the top)
2. Gennady Golovkin
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Vasyl Lomachenko
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Juan Francisco Estrada (moves up 3 places)
8. Naoya Inoue
9. Keith Thurman (moves up due to Yamanaka's loss)
10. Oleksandr Usyk (comes in for the first time)

We have to say goodbye to Roman, who has been on my list for a long time and number two for quite a while.

[g27region]

1. Andre Ward
2. T Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Golovkin
5. Canelo Alvarez
6. Keith Thurman
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Anthony Joshua

Sergey Kovalev and Roman are done after 2 L's in a row
But Roman is still ATG

[soul_survivor]

1. Andre Ward
2. T Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Golovkin
5. Canelo Alvarez
6. Keith Thurman
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Anthony Joshua

Sergey Kovalev and Roman are done after 2 L's in a row
But Roman is still ATG

I won't even get into Ward as I've spoken about him too much but how is Loma above GGG and Canelo? Hows Mikey on that list without yet having a world class win since his come back? How is Rigo still on the list?

This is not to criticise, its just to know HOW you amke p4p lists which is what I wanted from thsi thread and there has been some good analysis on that by other posters.

[g27region]

I won't even get into Ward as I've spoken about him too much but how is Loma above GGG and Canelo? Hows Mikey on that list without yet having a world class win since his come back? How is Rigo still on the list?

This is not to criticise, its just to know HOW you amke p4p lists which is what I wanted from thsi thread and there has been some good analysis on that by other posters.

GGG doesn't have wins like GRJ or Walters

Walters was supposed to be the first guy to "test" Lomachenko, fans were begging for that fight several years. It was the best possible opponent for Loma at that period of time. Now they don't talk about this win, because Walters performance was disappointing but that's not on Loma. Golovkin is yet to face a fighter who's going to test him. This fighter will be Canelo. After Canelo/Golovkin I'll have to put the winner above Lomachenko.

Canelo isn't as dominating and convincing in his fights as Loma. I thought he lost to Lara, but that's just my opinion

Rigo was higher in my p4p list before, besides Ward he's the only fighter in the list who defeated another p4p fighter in Donaire. That fight was 4 years ago, now he's aging and losing relevancy, so he can't be higher in my list, but his skillset is p4p worthy.

There's three main criterias for me

1) Resume, notable wins - nothing complicated to explain here

2) Potential and skills - it's basically an "eye test" plus the way fighters dominating the opposition, the reason why Loma is higher than Canelo in my list

3) Longevity and consistency - for example, that would be ****** to crown Jeff Horn because of only one fight. And I can't put some Thai guy who defeated Roman Gonsalez above fighters who's been relevant and dominant in their divisions for much longer period of time. If some fighter pulled off an upset against p4p'er, he has to prove that the result wasn't lucky coincidence and get some other good win or two. That's why Mikey Garcia is currently higher than Usyk (even if Usyk has better win in Glowacki than anything on Mikey's resume - Broner, Martinez, Salido, Juanma, etc) because Mikey been doing it much longer, he's been on top much longer, but that's going to change as soon as Usyk gets another great wins