A P4P Record

[chrisJS]

1a. Lomachenko
1b. Crawford

3. Golovkin
4. Canelo
5. Usyk
6. Estrada
7. Inoue
8. Kovalev
9. Spence
10. M. Garcia

I think if there's a clear winner May 5th, I'd expect the loser to fall out of the top 5 with a clear winner to Superfly 2 and the cruiserweight finals especially if it's Estrada and Usyk who are already right there. Another close fight, with perhaps another controversial outcome and perhaps both those guys leapfrog GGG and Canelo. A win for Loma over Linares and it's no longer 1a and 1b for me at the top. I can see the rest sort of staying the same for the time being with Kovalev perhaps the most vulnerable to drop out & Joshua and Santa Cruz the two best positioned to enter the list if things go as I expect.

[Larry the boss]

Ok, so its a new year, a new dawn etc so I want everyone who wants to, to post their top 10 p4p lists on here and we can thus keep a record of how people are ranking fighters and how those rankings change through the course of the year (so obviously post updated lists when changes are reuqired or you feel are necessary).

This is not necessarily a thread to discuss the validity of each list but rather how thesel ists are put together and what you hold to be your criteria. And ofc a record of how it will change over the course of the year (if at all)

Mine is as thus:

1. Sergey Kovalev
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Vasyl Lomachenko
6. Terence Crawford
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Naoya Inoue
9. Shinsuke Yamanaka
10. Juan Francisco Estrada

Edit:

Forgot to add in my criteria although I've spoken about it elsewhere and on here in other posts too but I thought I'd collect it all in one place.

- Skill set. This is about as objective as it gets. How good is the fighter I am seeing in front of my eyes, regardless of hype, accomplishments and what poeple write. How good does he seem to me. This is dividied into sub divisions of offence, defence and all round ability. A guy with exceptional offence but lacking in other departments would not rank as high as a guy with very good offence of his own but also defence and the ablity to apply a wide range of game plans. One trick ponies do not rank high in this category.

- Resume. This is simple really. The higher the quality of opposition faced and how regularly this level of opposition has been faced. It's important that a fighter not only win but win good. The better the quality of the performance, the higher the rank. This is within a time frame of 2-3 years, or hopefully 3-5 fights. However, inactivity of a year or no world class win in a year or more means the person gets dropped from my list. E.g. Tim Bradley. It was a little uner a year ago that he lost to Pacquiao and he hs not fought since .Skill wise and resume wise he is one of the best out there. But he does not make the list due to him not having shown that for almost a year.

- Accomplishments. Again, pretty simple: world champions fought, beat, championships won. But, as with anything, the quality of the world champion is looked at. For example, Pacquiao beat Bradley for what I believe was his 3rd world title at 147, that rates higher than him beating Vargas for yet another world title.

- Wins/Losses. Who has the p4p entrant lost to, if anyone. And how did they lose and how have they bounced back from that. If a fighter has never lost, they will normally rank higher yet if a fighter has lost to a higher calibre of opponent than the undefeated fighter has faced, it equals itself out.

- Transferrence of skill. This is the most mythical of all the criteria and the essence of a p4p list. How well do I feel a fighter will be able to transfer their skills across weight divisions? The best way to rate highly here is to show us. Frampton unified his own division and then jumped up a division and beat top dog there but he also then lost the rematch. The winner of that trilogy (LSC himself has been able to beat top guys across division) will likely step in at number 10 in the p4p list with Estrada falling out. Of course, this might be a disadvantage for heavyweights or single division, dominant champs but thats where the fantasy element comes in. Example, if AJ beats Wlad, he will come into the p4p list, because he would have beaten an atg and if his performanc is very good, it is difficult to imagine many fighters, regardless of weight, causing him much trouble.

lol...this man is so damn butt hurt its hilarious

[soul_survivor]

1a. Lomachenko
1b. Crawford

3. Golovkin
4. Canelo
5. Usyk
6. Estrada
7. Inoue
8. Kovalev
9. Spence
10. M. Garcia

I think if there's a clear winner May 5th, I'd expect the loser to fall out of the top 5 with a clear winner to Superfly 2 and the cruiserweight finals especially if it's Estrada and Usyk who are already right there. Another close fight, with perhaps another controversial outcome and perhaps both those guys leapfrog GGG and Canelo. A win for Loma over Linares and it's no longer 1a and 1b for me at the top. I can see the rest sort of staying the same for the time being with Kovalev perhaps the most vulnerable to drop out & Joshua and Santa Cruz the two best positioned to enter the list if things go as I expect.

I agree with most of your list, even if I may have a slightly different order, but why is Garcia in there instead of AJ?

[soul_survivor]

1. Terence Crawford
2. Gennady Golovkin
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Naoya Inoue
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Juan Francisco Estrada
10. Oleksandr Usyk

Big changes here. Rungvisai jumps in at 8, Inoue moves up to 7 as Estrada moves down 2 places and Thurman moves out due to inactivity. Usyk still lingers at 10, not quite looking as p4p as the other names on that list.

[GhostofDempsey]

1- Loma
2- Crawford
3- GGG
4- Canelo
5- Rungvisai
6- Spence
7- Inoue
8- Thurman
9- M. Garcia
10-Estrada

[soul_survivor]

I feel the list must be changed, as Canelo has not only failed a drug test, he has removed himself from the GGG fight. To me that is not acceptable for someone that is supposed to be a top class fighter.

Per my rules, he can not re-enter the rankings unless he returns with clean tests and against a top opponent.

1. Terence Crawford
2. Gennady Golovkin
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Sergey Kovalev
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Naoya Inoue
7. Sor Rungvisai
8. Juan Francisco Estrada
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Murat Gassiev

Everyone moves up a place and Gassiev enters the rankings for the first time.

[soul_survivor]

1. Vasiliy Lomachenko
2. Terrence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Sergey Kovalev
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Naoya Inoue
7. Sor Rungvisai
8. Juan Francisco Estrada
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Murat Gassiev

So changes to the top. Loma goes to number one with the best win of his career.

[soul_survivor]

1. Vasiliy Lomachenko
2. Terrence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Sergey Kovalev
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Naoya Inoue
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Juan Francisco Estrada
10. Murat Gassiev

Usyk moves up to 6th, Murat retains 10th and the little men duke it out just outside that upper echelon. Inoue probably has the bets shot of ranking higher.

[_Rexy_]

1. Vasall Lomachenko
2. Terrance Crawford
3. Oleksandr Usyk
4. Naoya Inoye
5. Gennedy Golovkin


Maybe I should do a top 10

[soul_survivor]

1. Vasall Lomachenko
2. Terrance Crawford
3. Oleksandr Usyk
4. Naoya Inoye
5. Gennedy Golovkin


Maybe I should do a top 10

go for it

also, write down the criteria you use