A P4P Record

[KingHippo]

But why not?

I assume you are really pissed off at ward not being number one but I never had ward on my p4p list before fighting kovalev. If he had beaten kovalev he would have slotted straight into my p4p list. If he had won in dominant fashion top 5 at least.

I said all this before the fight and predicted ward to win.

What unfolded we all know. So I won't repeat it. On the back of that ward does not deserve to find a place back on the list.

I don't give a **** about your emotions. If you want to be mad, fine, but don't use your "p4p list" as a guise for your refusal to deal with reality. Again, decisioning a 50 year old Hopkins, beating a past prime b fighter than falling apart against Ward is not enough to put Kovalev at number one.

Here's a more LOGICAL list, feel free to go at it:

1. Gonzalez
2. Ward
3. Terrence Crawford
4. Golovkin
5. Pacquiao
6. Canelo Alvarez
7. Lomachenko
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Danny Garcia

[SplitSecond]

****y performance ? no dude

if you base it on resume its Gonzalez and Alvarez fallowed by Garcia doe

Alvarez?....

[Canelo and GGG]

Alvarez?....

Lara ,Trout,Cotto,Khan is one of the best resumes ou there ,what ever Canelo haters say he have one of the best track records in the game to day

[Butt stuff]

Maybe i put it wrong ,he not only avoided KO ,but was boxing to win to the end ,gave very competeive fight with top p4p fighter not first time in his careere ,also beat judah in his prime ,and Mosley ,now i know it was long time ago but Cotto didnt show a sign of slowing down ,if anything he improved ,his not chinny anymore and have expirience on highest lvl you can.

Here's a good un'. How dya think prime Cotto at 147 would've handled the younger 147 version of Canelo? Alvarez looked HUGE compared to the ageing Cotto. Really surprised he didn't manage to put him away, he was landing big clean shots- I remember in particular an counter uppercut he wound up like a beast!

[Canelo and GGG]

Here's a good un'. How dya think prime Cotto at 147 would've handled the younger 147 version of Canelo? Alvarez looked HUGE compared to the ageing Cotto. Really surprised he didn't manage to put him away, he was landing big clean shots- I remember in particular an counter uppercut he wound up like a beast!

I think Cotto now can handle bulls like Canelo and his worst version Margo(i know Margo is not counter puncher but he was big WW too) better,this Cotto from Margo 1 fight lose via KO with Walter Canelo (also expiriance maight be factor) but today Cotto could win rematch if he is prepared like last time ,he looks solid physicaly ,legs are not gone so i prefer older Cotto to younger Cotto any day of a week.

[soul_survivor]

I don't give a **** about your emotions. If you want to be mad, fine, but don't use your "p4p list" as a guise for your refusal to deal with reality. Again, decisioning a 50 year old Hopkins, beating a past prime b fighter than falling apart against Ward is not enough to put Kovalev at number one.

Here's a more LOGICAL list, feel free to go at it:

1. Gonzalez
2. Ward
3. Terrence Crawford
4. Golovkin
5. Pacquiao
6. Canelo Alvarez
7. Lomachenko
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Danny Garcia

Emotional? What do you mean? You are the one who is typing with pretty serious anger.

Kovalev has beaten the best light heavies out there (Regardless of whinning or losing the Ward fight) so I had him number one after May retired and Wlad lost. You keep mentioning 50 year old this or b level that. The facts are:

Hopkins was top 2 or 3 in the division and held 50% of the belts in said division. Kov v Hopkins was for 3/4 belts at light heavy.

Pascal was a top 5 light heavy, may still be, even though I agree, he was past his best.

Kov has wins over solid contenders.

In the opnions of most beat Ward too but even minus that, Kovalev is the de facto number one on my list considering I take fighters off it (Bradley for example) if they are inactive too long and when they do fight, they don't fight top opposition (Rigo).

The fact that you wouldn't even rank Kov in the top 3 is laughable but whatever, like I said, this is a thread discusisng how everyone makes their p4p lists. So what exactly is your criteria?

[KingHippo]

Emotional? What do you mean? You are the one who is typing with pretty serious anger.

Kovalev has beaten the best light heavies out there (Regardless of whinning or losing the Ward fight) so I had him number one after May retired and Wlad lost. You keep mentioning 50 year old this or b level that. The facts are:

Hopkins was top 2 or 3 in the division and held 50% of the belts in said division. Kov v Hopkins was for 3/4 belts at light heavy.

Pascal was a top 5 light heavy, may still be, even though I agree, he was past his best.

Kov has wins over solid contenders.

In the opnions of most beat Ward too but even minus that, Kovalev is the de facto number one on my list considering I take fighters off it (Bradley for example) if they are inactive too long and when they do fight, they don't fight top opposition (Rigo).

The fact that you wouldn't even rank Kov in the top 3 is laughable but whatever, like I said, this is a thread discusisng how everyone makes their p4p lists. So what exactly is your criteria?

Of course I'm angry, your list is ******.

What irks me the most is that you give more credit to Kovalev for obviously not decisively beating a fighter you admit was outside your p4p list than to Ward for not decisively beating someone who was top 3 on most people's list. Do you realize how ****** that is?

My criteria is like everyone else's who actually know what p4p lists are all about, and that is resume and level of opposition first and foremost, dominance and the eye test. Kovalev fails on all accounts.

And regarding Hopkins, he only had one belt when Kovalev beat him, a belt Hopkins won by getting a decision against Karo Murat, a guy Sullivan Barrera blasted away in 5.

[BIG GUNZ]

1. Gonzalez
2. Crawford
3. Ward
4. Golovkin
5. Kovalev
6. Pacquiao
7. Lomachenko
8. Rigondeaux
9. Canelo
10. Thurman

My list is based on their recent opposition & how good they are currently.

[soul_survivor]

Of course I'm angry, your list is ******.

What irks me the most is that you give more credit to Kovalev for obviously not decisively beating a fighter you admit was outside your p4p list than to Ward for not decisively beating someone who was top 3 on most people's list. Do you realize how ****** that is?

My criteria is like everyone else's who actually know what p4p lists are all about, and that is resume and level of opposition first and foremost, dominance and the eye test. Kovalev fails on all accounts.

And regarding Hopkins, he only had one belt when Kovalev beat him, a belt Hopkins won by getting a decision against Karo Murat, a guy Sullivan Barrera blasted away in 5.

Calm down boy, you sound like a menstrual woman.

Now, Your claim that Ward beta Kovalev is ridiculous, even in the opinions of those few who felt Ward won, no one thought it was decisive.

In terms of Kovalev at 175, no one has tested him. Absolutely no one. Chilemba took him round, Hopkins took him rounds but Kova has won decisively against all the top guys in his division and done so often with KOs. A top p4p fighter has to be levels above his opposition. At no point has he been shown to be anything else. However you saw the Ward fight, there can be no denying he battered Ward in the first half to such an extent that the guy literally jogged across 3 corners of the ring to get away from him lol

Kov showed he was superior to Ward at range and up close. The only argument I often hear for Ward winning is that he survived the kd and showed heart. Thats not a criteria for winning a fight. As for Hopkins, he beat Shumenov for the WBA belt. I dunno if your dense or trolling at this point.

By ranking Ward so high, you're not even following your own criteria, considering Ward has one world class "win" in years lol But whatever, keep trolling

[soul_survivor]

1. Gonzalez
2. Crawford
3. Ward
4. Golovkin
5. Kovalev
6. Pacquiao
7. Lomachenko
8. Rigondeaux
9. Canelo
10. Thurman

My list is based on their recent opposition & how good they are currently.

Interesting. How recent is recent?