Toe-To-Toe Art....

[jabsRstiff]

The ability to go toe-to-toe.....is a real & true ability.

Ricardo Mayorga's two horrible beatings at the hands of Felix Trinidad & Oscar DeLaHoya prove this.

Mayorga is a strong, powerful wildman. Yet, when it came time to exchange with those two elites, he was completely obliterated by them.
Both of them showed that going toe-to-toe well, is more than just ferocity & raw power. Unlike Mayorga, both Oscar & Felix still maintain their defense while trading heavily, & beat lesser foes with well-conceived & well-placed punches/combos.
This ability comes from years of training, learning, & fighting.
A fake "purist" only sees boxing skill when a fighter seems to focus on hitting & not getting hit....while not looking to do the most damage.

The reason the average Joe would be hospitalized by a decent boxer won't be because the boxer would pick him apart, but because when the Joe stands & trades with the real boxer, he's entering a place in which he is completely outgunned.

[Left2body]

The ability to go toe-to-toe.....is a real & true ability.

Ricardo Mayorga's two horrible beatings at the hands of Felix Trinidad & Oscar DeLaHoya prove this.

Mayorga is a strong, powerful wildman. Yet, when it came time to exchange with those two elites, he was completely obliterated by them.
Both of them showed that going toe-to-toe well, is more than just ferocity & raw power. Unlike Mayorga, both Oscar & Felix still maintain their defense while trading heavily, & beat lesser foes with well-conceived & well-placed punches/combos.
This ability comes from years of training, learning, & fighting.
A fake "purist" only sees boxing skill when a fighter seems to focus on hitting & not getting hit....while not looking to do the most damage.

The reason the average Joe would be hospitalized by a decent boxer won't be because the boxer would pick him apart, but because when the Joe stands & trades with the real boxer, he's entering a place in which he is completely outgunned.

Well its partially true. There are some fighters who go in unload and then come out while inflicting damage and avoiding a lot of the opponents punches.....Prime Shane Mosley is a good example of this.

There are others that just pop shots 1-2's from a distance but never really go toe-to-toe. Thats more of the swarmers and sluggers and boxer punchers ground.

Yeah, it is a special ability but not necessarily quintecential to having a succesful boxing career.

[jabsRstiff]

[QUOTE=Left2body]Well its partially true. There are some fighters who go in unload and then come out while inflicting damage and avoiding a lot of the opponents punches.....Prime Shane Mosley is a good example of this.

There are others that just pop shots 1-2's from a distance but never really go toe-to-toe. Thats more of the swarmers and sluggers and boxer punchers ground.

Yeah, it is a special ability but not necessarily quintecential to having a succesful boxing career.QUOTE]


....& in no way is that what I'm saying.

[AllEyesOpen]

good points, but they both beat Mayorga because he needs alot of room to throw those haymakers, you get up in closes he has to throw shorter punches that aren't as effective. If Oscar would have been dancing around, Mayorga would have had enough space to hit him with a real hard punch. IMHO i'll go for the boxer over the brawler 9/10(if the boxer has a strong chin) except in HW, there it's a different ballgame.

[ROSEWOOD]

The ability to go toe-to-toe.....is a real & true ability.

Ricardo Mayorga's two horrible beatings at the hands of Felix Trinidad & Oscar DeLaHoya prove this.

Mayorga is a strong, powerful wildman. Yet, when it came time to exchange with those two elites, he was completely obliterated by them.
Both of them showed that going toe-to-toe well, is more than just ferocity & raw power. Unlike Mayorga, both Oscar & Felix still maintain their defense while trading heavily, & beat lesser foes with well-conceived & well-placed punches/combos.
This ability comes from years of training, learning, & fighting.
A fake "purist" only sees boxing skill when a fighter seems to focus on hitting & not getting hit....while not looking to do the most damage.

The reason the average Joe would be hospitalized by a decent boxer won't be because the boxer would pick him apart, but because when the Joe stands & trades with the real boxer, he's entering a place in which he is completely outgunned.

yep, it calls for a steel chin and great inside punching..james toney is prob. the best in the game at it right now..

[Phantasm]

good points, but they both beat Mayorga because he needs alot of room to throw those haymakers, you get up in closes he has to throw shorter punches that aren't as effective. If Oscar would have been dancing around, Mayorga would have had enough space to hit him with a real hard punch. IMHO i'll go for the boxer over the brawler 9/10(if the boxer has a strong chin) except in HW, there it's a different ballgame.

I agree...the HW division is probably the exception. I think Mayorga wings his punches too much, so a good boxer can get that punch-not-seen in between one of those haymakers, like Oscar did.

[Run]

A fake "purist" only sees boxing skill when a fighter seems to focus on hitting & not getting hit....while not looking to do the most damage.

You've been making really good threads lately buster.



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[Left2body]

....& in no way is that what I'm saying.

I misread you, I though you were down grading purist who appreciated the boxing instead of toe-to-toe.


The most memorable and skillfull toe-to-toe action that I ever saw has to be Corrales vs Castillo, it was brutal it was beautiful it was the best fight I ever saw.

[DiegoFuego]

The problem with taking some to land some is that it's nothing to be respected. Not everyone is blessed with a good chin, so you should really admire the guys that hit and not get hit because THEY are athletes. Guys that go in and brawl like wild are not athletes in the same sense that the boxers are. I mean how hard is it to go in and throw haymakers like an idiot when you have a good chin? You can't tell me, for instance, that the Mayorga's, Castillo's and Corrales' are as good of athletes as the Mayweather's, De La Hoya's, etc. That's just ridiculous.

[DiegoFuego]

I misread you, I though you were down grading purist who appreciated the boxing instead of toe-to-toe.


The most memorable and skillfull toe-to-toe action that I ever saw has to be Corrales vs Castillo, it was brutal it was beautiful it was the best fight I ever saw.

It was the best fight I ever saw as well, but neither of them fought a good fight in that one. When you take that many punches, you are definitely doing something wrong. But, hey, it's great to watch. It's just we're not watching two great boxers by any stretch of the imagination, just two amazing warriors.