Comments Thread For: Canelo: Golovkin Received His Biggest Offer - Do Not Blame Me!

[bigdunny1]

GGG fans know that Canelo is the A side, no delusion at all. We're just happy GGG is negotiating hard too. 25%-35% is fair.

You're right about a few things but the point that you keep missing is that GGG doesn't care how much money Canelo could make without him. GGG's star power keeps growing every day, so he can afford to keep putting the pressure on Canelo to make the fight at a favorable percentage (obviously still B+ side money). Worse case GGG doesn't get the Canelo fight, so what? GGG is already richer than he ever thought possible. In the next 3 years GGG will make more money than he has all his career with or without Canelo.

GGG isn't super rich but he has go-F*yourself money, meaning that he doesn't have to take whatever is offered. Just like Manny didn't have to take Floyd's amazing 40M offer. You're playing checkers while Tom Loeffler is playing chess.

Growing every day? HE IS PUSHING 40. He's not a young kid with time to build his brand over years. In a few years he will be too old. And what proof you have his Star power is growing? He just had his worse TV ratings in years for HBO against Brook. Worse then the ratings he got the year BEFORE against Martin Murray. Brook was a bigger name and bigger fight then Murray yet it drew less ratings on HBO, his own network didn't give him a single HBOPPV last year. If he's growing like you said he is then they would of been gave him PPVs immediately following the Lemiuex fight. That's the biggest mistake I see is his fans think well he don't need Canelo he will become a star like Canelo on his own. WRONG. He's too old and doesn't have any comparable fights that will springboard his career. Where as Canelo is ALREADY the biggest draw today and will continue to be that with OR without GGG. And he's only 26 he can just wait around until the next boogeyman springs up and fight them. In the meantime he's got tons of fights he can make and fighters across 3+ weight classes that will all jump at the offer to make career payday money and fight him. While GGG is the one left out in the cold. And if GGG was so rich and didn't need Canelo he wouldn't be begging him all last year would he?

GGG IS NOT Manny. LMAO Manny was already a PPV star with numerous big PPV buys under his belt, a better resume, and was making huge money each time out with tons of fight options. Plus he was younger then GGG. He could afford to wait years and keep banking PPVs in the meantime before he fought Floyd. That's the problem you guys don't realize the gulf between GGG and Canelo is FAR wider then Manny and Floyd. Manny wasn't drawing as much but it was very close to Floyd was a proven PPV star. GGG has no relevant fights under his belt and 1 PPV flop. Canelo been in countless PPVs and is a part of the second biggest PPV fight of alltime.

[gmc_rfc_06]

No, you keep trotting out that discredited purse bid Canard as an excuse for Canelos epic duck. No integrity.

Canelo is 3 fights ahead for GGG, body not ready wouldn't have it any sooner. Theyre still negotiating, they should be able to get fair upside as is only standard

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Golovkin has never even made $5million, $15million is a lot more than fair. He's not going to get a better offer, nor should he.

He has a very good offer on the table for the biggest fight of his career and a chance to become a star. He can take it, or continue fighting mostly irrelevant opposition.

[galloindio]

Growing every day? HE IS PUSHING 40. He's not a young kid with time to build his brand over years. In a few years he will be too old. And what proof you have his Star power is growing? He just had his worse TV ratings in years for HBO against Brook. Worse then the ratings he got the year BEFORE against Martin Murray. Brook was a bigger name and bigger fight then Murray yet it drew less ratings on HBO, his own network didn't give him a single HBOPPV last year. If he's growing like you said he is then they would of been gave him PPVs immediately following the Lemiuex fight. That's the biggest mistake I see is his fans think well he don't need Canelo he will become a star like Canelo on his own. WRONG. He's too old and doesn't have any comparable fights that will springboard his career. Where as Canelo is ALREADY the biggest draw today and will continue to be that with OR without GGG. And he's only 26 he can just wait around until the next boogeyman springs up and fight them. In the meantime he's got tons of fights he can make and fighters across 3+ weight classes that will all jump at the offer to make career payday money and fight him. While GGG is the one left out in the cold. And if GGG was so rich and didn't need Canelo he wouldn't be begging him all last year would he?

GGG IS NOT Manny. LMAO Manny was already a PPV star with numerous big PPV buys under his belt, a better resume, and was making huge money each time out with tons of fight options. Plus he was younger then GGG. He could afford to wait years and keep banking PPVs in the meantime before he fought Floyd. That's the problem you guys don't realize the gulf between GGG and Canelo is FAR wider then Manny and Floyd. Manny wasn't drawing as much but it was very close to Floyd was a proven PPV star. GGG has no relevant fights under his belt and 1 PPV flop. Canelo been in countless PPVs and is a part of the second biggest PPV fight of alltime.

GGG turns 35 this year. That means that with or without Canelo his career will end soon. No matter what he does he will never have the PPV career of the top draws. So the best thing GGG could do is continue doing what he has done and fights like Jacobs, Sanders and Eubank will come. Why didn't HBO give him an immediate PPV last year? Really, you're going to pretend that you don't know the answer to that question? Maybe because his top 3 options all ran? Canelo, Sanders and Eubank!!! They can't all run forever. Of course he's not Manny but Manny and TR proved that you don't have to give in to the A side. Canelo has to worry about his fans turning against him.

Canelo made a HUGE mistake in pressuring Chavez Jr. to shake hands on a winner-takes-all purse. Are they doing Vada testing because apparently Canelo's testosterone level is uncontrollable. Would he shake hands with GGG on a winner takes all purse??? LMFAO, HELL NO!

[HeroBando]

Golovkin has never even made $5million, $15million is a lot more than fair. He's not going to get a better offer, nor should he.

He has a very good offer on the table for the biggest fight of his career and a chance to become a star. He can take it, or continue fighting mostly irrelevant opposition.

He deserves upside, like every other fighter in a mega ppv. Doesn't mean he'd make more than 15m, could be less depending on the ppv numbers.

You know bums like Khan and Chavez were given upside by Canelo. You don't find it odd they're insisting on a flat fee for the biggest fight around? Use your head for once man

[bigdunny1]

GGG turns 35 this year. That means that with or without Canelo his career will end soon. No matter what he does he will never have the PPV career of the top draws. So the best thing GGG could do is continue doing what he has done and fights like Jacobs, Sanders and Eubank will come. Why didn't HBO give him an immediate PPV last year? Really, you're going to pretend that you don't know the answer to that question? Maybe because his top 3 options all ran? Canelo, Sanders and Eubank!!! They can't all run forever. Of course he's not Manny but Manny and TR proved that you don't have to give in to the A side. Canelo has to worry about his fans turning against him.

Canelo made a HUGE mistake in pressuring Chavez Jr. to shake hands on a winner-takes-all purse. Are they doing Vada testing because apparently Canelo's testosterone level is uncontrollable. Would he shake hands with GGG on a winner takes all purse??? LMFAO, HELL NO!

If he was building his star power like you said then he would of gotten a PPV regardless who he faced. Canelo did! But again that's the difference between the level Canelo is at and the one GGG is at. And those 2 fights you mentioned were fights HBO was NOT going to air on PPV Brook got the exact same deal that was in place for Eubank so don't pretend that if Saunders/Eubank fought GGG it was going to be on HBO PPV. Who's fault is it that GGG is already old and wasted so much of his career refusing to step up his level of competition? If he took more risks compromised weight and money to land bigger fights he'd be a bigger star today then he is. Instead he's pushing 40 and basically has to beg Canelo for a handout.

You can't use Manny's blueprint when you ain't a PPV star like Manny. Manny was the A side to every fighter on the planet EXCEPT Floyd. GGG was the B side to Brook for phuk sake and had to travel to his home turf. Khan is a bigger draw then Brooks is overseas and yet HE HAD TO COME to the US to fight Canelo. Manny was on par with Floyd, much younger with numerous big PPV fights he could take in the meantime to hold out for Floyd. These dynamics don't exist for old no PPV draw GGG who has to beg UK fighters for handouts.

[kafkod]

Growing every day? HE IS PUSHING 40. He's not a young kid with time to build his brand over years. In a few years he will be too old. And what proof you have his Star power is growing? He just had his worse TV ratings in years for HBO against Brook. Worse then the ratings he got the year BEFORE against Martin Murray. Brook was a bigger name and bigger fight then Murray yet it drew less ratings on HBO, his own network didn't give him a single HBOPPV last year. If he's growing like you said he is then they would of been gave him PPVs immediately following the Lemiuex fight. That's the biggest mistake I see is his fans think well he don't need Canelo he will become a star like Canelo on his own. WRONG. He's too old and doesn't have any comparable fights that will springboard his career. Where as Canelo is ALREADY the biggest draw today and will continue to be that with OR without GGG. And he's only 26 he can just wait around until the next boogeyman springs up and fight them. In the meantime he's got tons of fights he can make and fighters across 3+ weight classes that will all jump at the offer to make career payday money and fight him. While GGG is the one left out in the cold. And if GGG was so rich and didn't need Canelo he wouldn't be begging him all last year would he?

GGG IS NOT Manny. LMAO Manny was already a PPV star with numerous big PPV buys under his belt, a better resume, and was making huge money each time out with tons of fight options. Plus he was younger then GGG. He could afford to wait years and keep banking PPVs in the meantime before he fought Floyd. That's the problem you guys don't realize the gulf between GGG and Canelo is FAR wider then Manny and Floyd. Manny wasn't drawing as much but it was very close to Floyd was a proven PPV star. GGG has no relevant fights under his belt and 1 PPV flop. Canelo been in countless PPVs and is a part of the second biggest PPV fight of alltime.

You don't know your arse from your elbow. Canelo's last HBO PPV did less than 300k, and outside the USA and Mexico, GGG has many more fans than Canelo. His last fight sold more SKY PPVs than any staged in the UK except Froch/Groves 2 and AJ's world title defences. The world doesn't end at the US border, idiot!

If GGG gets past Jacobs, and then fights BJS in Kazhakstan next summer, which both look likely to happen, he could have all 4 titles in the MW division by next Sept. Canelo is going to be fighting at 160 after Chavez, so he better make sure it's a close, competitive fight, because apart from a rematch with Jr, there are no other big fights for him except Golovkin.

[kafkod]

He deserves upside, like every other fighter in a mega ppv. Doesn't mean he'd make more than 15m, could be less depending on the ppv numbers.

You know bums like Khan and Chavez were given upside by Canelo. You don't find it odd they're insisting on a flat fee for the biggest fight around? Use your head for once man

After what happened when GGG was Canelo's WBC mando, nobody should find that odd at all. It's as plain as the nose on your face ... Canelo and Oscar want no part of GGG till he's over the hill.

[bigdunny1]

You don't know your arse from your elbow. Canelo's last HBO PPV did less than 300k, and outside the USA and Mexico, GGG has many more fans than Canelo. His last fight sold more SKY PPVs than any staged in the UK except Froch/Groves 2 and AJ's world title defences. The world doesn't end at the US border, idiot!

If GGG gets past Jacobs, and then fights BJS in Kazhakstan next summer, which both look likely to happen, he could have all 4 titles in the MW division by next Sept. Canelo is going to be fighting at 160 after Chavez, so he better make sure it's a close, competitive fight, because apart from a rematch with Jr, there are no other big fights for him except Golovkin.

don't bring up UK PPV sales that Brook carried NOT GGG especially when those PPV cost like 15 bucks. LMAO. Canleo does big boy PPVs that cost 70 and generate REAL money. Smith PPV did double what GGG only real PPV did. If he making so much money overseas why is he begging Canelo then? Because you blowing smoke up everyone's arse and know he aint seeing nothing like the money Canelo is seeing and won't get a snif of the money that Canelo offered him by begging to be the B side to any of the UK stars.


Like I said delusional GGG fangirls who really think GGG is a bigger star then Canelo despite all the evidence that proves otherwise. Even HBO the network that built him up and totally invested in him knows he's not as bigger then Canelo. That's why he had to wait a year and half for his next PPV after he flopped. While Canelo can fight whoever he wants whenever he wants and HBO grants him PPV dates.

[kafkod]

Canelo dropped the belt days before it went to purse bid because the belt situation of both mandated a 55/45 split, there is no way Golovkin was getting anywhere near 45%.



Since then, Golovkin has been offered the biggest fight of his career (at his preferred weight), a chance to become a star and 3x his highest purse; he said no.

The rule giving an interim champ 45% of the purse bid was dropped about 3 years ago. GGG would have got 30% if it had gone to a bid. And nobody on Canelo's team has ever said that he gave up his belt because K2 were trying to force a purse bid.

How long did they wait for Canelo to make them an offer when he had the belt? Nearly a year? Then he vacated without even trying to negotiate or making any offer at all.

[Real King Kong]

So, if they fight at 160, the champ with 4 or 5 belts should take a 35% split against the guy with no titles? LMAO.....wut?

A side, B side...you know how it is. I don't agree with it, but ggg isn't getting 50-50 or close to it.