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  • Hous
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    #11
    You are the one missing the facts as I said Machoism is required for all boxers, its impossible for them not to have the same machoism.

    And my stats were provided to show you if any ethnic group was described as machosim it wouldn't be hispanics by the general public.

    I never said hispanic is a race, and your wrong saying its a ethnicity as hispanic is only defined as a group of people that speak the language from the Latin subunit of languages.

    Thank you.

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    • keystone30pack
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      #12
      Originally posted by Hous
      You are the one missing the facts as I said Machoism is required for all boxers, its impossible for them not to have the same machoism.

      And my stats were provided to show you if any ethnic group was described as machosim it wouldn't be hispanics by the general public.

      I never said hispanic is a race, and your wrong saying its a ethnicity as hispanic is only defined as a group of people that speak the language from the Latin subunit of languages.

      Thank you.
      i said that too hous-

      but machismo is a socially constructed stereotype still held by the dominat culture with reference to hispanics

      your not completely wrong on the ethnicity part man- i'm a sociologist in the making friend
      however, ethnicity refers to shared cultural characteristics
      hispanic- is a term we use in the us for buerocratic purposes and statistical measurement

      edit
      again hous most of your referenes are views that are not held by the majority of scholars in this area
      Last edited by keystone30pack; 05-18-2006, 09:46 PM.

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        #13
        and that socially held stereotype of machismo was used more often by both black and white announcers to describe the success of hispanics

        machismo is only stereotyped towards hispanics man- i'm not saying that they are the only ones who exhibit these characteristics

        in fact, socioeconomic status is a better indicator of machismo than race or ethnicity


        once again these stereotypes such as black physical superiortiy and hispanic machismo are reflected in the announcers commentary and can have implications for society

        when media conveys these images they affect both in and out groups as well as intergroup relations

        remeber it is the stereotype that hispanics are the displayers of machismo and this perception is reinforced by the media

        how do i know that? reserach man research

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        • Straw18
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          #14
          Originally posted by keystone30pack

          fourth- most of this crap has been disproven or written in books by those who do not agree with the vast majority of scholars

          I like that one the best.

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          • LondonRingRules
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            #15
            6 fights ain't a study, it's an observation.

            Announcers have a schtick they go through to cater to their audience. At anyrate, announcers don't affect the outcome of fights, only the perception of the viewing public, and many if not most of the viewing public seem to have little respect for announcers from what I've heard.

            Facts are there aren't that many skilled blacks fighting anymore, and there are plenty of Latino fighters who prefer to box instead of brawl or slug. That's why Latinos dominate the divisions south of middleweight. If all they could do was brawl or slug they wouldn't hold these titles.

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            • eazy_mas
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              #16
              it very hard to determine race because each indiviaul is different than another.

              For example you got Floyd Mayweather Jr and Jeff Lacy both are black but one is fast and the other one is powerful so you cant say.

              I think is something with type of training that effects most if a person is trained to in only strength then he would be stronger and if speed he would be quicker. but he he trains both he will get both quality but not as much as if he is dietacted to only one type of training.

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              • keystone30pack
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                #17
                Originally posted by LondonRingRules
                6 fights ain't a study, it's an observation.

                Announcers have a schtick they go through to cater to their audience. At anyrate, announcers don't affect the outcome of fights, only the perception of the viewing public, and many if not most of the viewing public seem to have little respect for announcers from what I've heard.

                Facts are there aren't that many skilled blacks fighting anymore, and there are plenty of Latino fighters who prefer to box instead of brawl or slug. That's why Latinos dominate the divisions south of middleweight. If all they could do was brawl or slug they wouldn't hold these titles.
                9 fights

                no 9 fights is not conducive to providing generalizations and that was not the intention as this was qualitative analysis -as opposed to quantitative research

                there is no need for statistical analysis - such as t-test or chi square as qualitatve results provide in depth richness to a topic

                this was simply a groundwork to advance research on hispanics in sport

                and that this was done for a hsi - hispanic serving institution in Texas

                the highlighted portion is exactly true- and is covered within the contexts of the lit review as possible social implications for this bias commentary

                also on an earlier comments directed towards biological differences in race/ethnicites is covered extensively as weel as these sometimes unscientific results regardless if they are true or not have facillitated the production of these stereotypes such as the black brute

                they are then reproduced in sports broadcast commentary and are delivered to the viewers

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                • Hous
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by keystone30pack
                  and that socially held stereotype of machismo was used more often by both black and white announcers to describe the success of hispanics

                  machismo is only stereotyped towards hispanics man- i'm not saying that they are the only ones who exhibit these characteristics

                  in fact, socioeconomic status is a better indicator of machismo than race or ethnicity


                  once again these stereotypes such as black physical superiortiy and hispanic machismo are reflected in the announcers commentary and can have implications for society

                  when media conveys these images they affect both in and out groups as well as intergroup relations

                  remeber it is the stereotype that hispanics are the displayers of machismo and this perception is reinforced by the media

                  how do i know that? reserach man research
                  I posted the whole race thing to show you the general public does not perceive hispanics as macho as a whole so why would they in boxing?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by keystone30pack
                    but thanks for attempting to undermine my research!!

                    especially since i included boxing- which has nto been done much at all in sociological research

                    there are weakness to my research as in any- clearly they are pointed out in my discussion section

                    some must be reworked before publication such as:

                    intercoder reliability: tinme and funding constraints did not allow me to have other coders sampl my sample and code the data to establish consistency among the results

                    this was a qualitative analysis and not meant to provide generalizations just richness in data and as a theoretical groundwork for further studies

                    ....I like the size survey in this one better. It says us white guys have the biggest ****s. I notice that Asians seem to definitely be on the bottom of all the penis length studies.

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                    • keystone30pack
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Hous
                      I posted the whole race thing to show you the general public does not perceive hispanics as macho as a whole so why would they in boxing?

                      and i can provide a constellation of scholarly research that suggests just the opposite

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