Comments Thread For: Why Atlas Leaving Golovkin Off His P4P List is Deeply Flawed

[ShoulderRoll]

Who the heck is Andreas Hale? I've never seen his articles on Boxing Scene before I don't think.

Did he cry and complain this much about the PFP lists where Golovkin is ridiculously ranked #1 or #2?

[-Kev-]

Spence should not be there. You can argue for Pac being there, his win over Bradley was very good and fairly recent. His lone losses in the past 4 years are to two ATG's. There's no evidence that Pac is a beatable fighter at 140-147. Although with Vargas and Horn fights back to back, it will be hard to make a case for Pac staying there. Then again, Vargas and Horn caliber fighters is what GGG has been fighting his whole career and makes it to most top 3 P4P lists just fine.

[Shadoww702]

Atlas' list

1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Andre Ward
4. Keith Thurman
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Errol Spence Jr.

Lomachenko a bit too high, same with Crawford. Ward and Thurman too high, Kovalev too low. Gonzalez too low. Rigo about right, woulnd't complain if he was higher. Spence and Canelo aren't top 10 p4p fighters.

Fury, and Golovkin are missing, and so is Bradley. Pacqiao is also too high.

I really don't see much of an issue with that list??? Am I missing something??? Thurman is the only odd one??? I would drop him and then move everyone else up then Put Mikey Garcia at #10 or Thurman. I would reorder it like this...

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Vasyl Lomachenko
5. Terence Crawford
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Keith Thurman

I couldn't justify putting in GGG because he's never fought anyone worth a damn??? Until Jacobs. After the fight if he smashes Jacobs I'll never bring that up again. And would put him at #7. If he beats Canelo and get Hopkins record, then moves up in weight to beat some SMW I could easily see him shooting up the list...

[Rock&Roll]

Dont bother with Kigali, nothing coherent will reach his ears. He is one of the most biased person I have ever encountered on a forum.

Thanks. She catches you off guard, just when you think you might get a normal convo out of her.


Really...she's an idiot....and idiots end up arguing with you about something off topic, drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

[Shadoww702]

He questioned Manny place because of his criteria. Manny has faded, and that was a criteria.

But he also did it to show the contradiction Atlas used.

But more importantly, Brook whoops both Vargas and Bradley.



No one does! That statement alone is easily debunked. Ali often did. I've seen quit a few fighters do it in and out of the ring.

Kimbo Slice did it all the time. And to huge mother ****ers who no doubt packed a punch. Why, because when you lay into a guy that can hurt you and he smiles or nods, you know you're in ****ing trouble.

GGG doesn't do it to everyone. But I know he's invited punches, and I know Wade, Monroe, and Brook were on their back feet after they realized they couldn't hurt ggg and the fight was just gonna be them getting hurt.

But cool, hate on. It's all very easily to debunk.

I don't remember seeing Brook beat either one?? Why you lying dude??? Brook wouldn't KO either one and I would bet you any amount on that.

[PoserExposer]

De La Hoya's own Ring Magazine pound for pound list has GGG at #4, higher than their cash cow Canelo. Forget that Dan Rafael, Steve Farhood, Eric Raskin, Steve Kim, Kevin Iole, Doug Fisher, Tim Graham, Bart Barry, Graham Houston, the list of respectable boxing writers goes on and on, ALL have GGG somewhere in their P4P list. Forget the tens of boxing sites who hold the same, Teddy Atlas P4P list holds as much credibility as a WBA Regular Belt.

When Bernard Hopkins ruled the middleweight division, it was loaded with a less than stellar stable of fighters. His record defenses were still undeniable achievements. Skin it how you want, this is the same Teddy Atlas that downplayed Bernard's hall of fame career and oldest champion ever achievement. Bernard's opposition wasn't his fault and neither is GGG's.

There is nobody who dominates and controls the ring better than GGG. At 23 straight KO's and almost a 92% KO percentage, greatest in Middleweight history by the way, is why he is on every respectable boxing writers and boxing website's P4P list. I think he does need more credible challengers as so do a few others on that list, I speak as a fan of the sport.

You don't deny that Vasily Lomachenko is a P4P with only 7 fights do you? You can make the argument that at 7 fights, he hasn't done enough to warrant such ranking but he does, he's the most skilled fighter today. Oh and Rigo Rigondeaux only having 17 fights, surely there's no way he could make your P4P list either right? Of course he does, besides Loma, nobody denies Rigo that spot either. The exact same argument can be made about Errol Spence. Teddy is merely being the controversial pinhead he is today. You take his P4P list with a grain of salt or wipe your as with it because it's garbage.

I already explained why Atlas is right in another thread. I didn't get there the same way Teddy did but I agree that he is correct to leave Lil g off the top 10.

P4P means "if the fighters were the same size, who would win". And none of the guys on Teddy's list lose to Lil g if that is the case, except maybe Canelo. Yet, Kid Cinnamon is much more proven albeit maybe not recently.

I understand this writers opinion and he makes good arguments in turning Atlas's own criteria against him.

But, he is still wrong. Lil g is not top 10 P4P til his resume makes a significant upgrade.

[Robbie Barrett]

De La Hoya's own Ring Magazine pound for pound list has GGG at #4, higher than their cash cow Canelo. Forget that Dan Rafael, Steve Farhood, Eric Raskin, Steve Kim, Kevin Iole, Doug Fisher, Tim Graham, Bart Barry, Graham Houston, the list of respectable boxing writers goes on and on, ALL have GGG somewhere in their P4P list. Forget the tens of boxing sites who hold the same, Teddy Atlas P4P list holds as much credibility as a WBA Regular Belt.

Hilarious because they count Golovkins WBA regular defences as world title defences.

[Jsmooth9876]

Who cares? Waste of time to write about someone's opinion. Yawn.

Hold on, isn't that what we do here every day?

[Jsmooth9876]

I really don't see much of an issue with that list??? Am I missing something??? Thurman is the only odd one??? I would drop him and then move everyone else up then Put Mikey Garcia at #10 or Thurman. I would reorder it like this...

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Vasyl Lomachenko
5. Terence Crawford
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Keith Thurman

I couldn't justify putting in GGG because he's never fought anyone worth a damn??? Until Jacobs. After the fight if he smashes Jacobs I'll never bring that up again. And would put him at #7. If he beats Canelo and get Hopkins record, then moves up in weight to beat some SMW I could easily see him shooting up the list...

Any list that has Spence on it but excludes GGG is not worth even taking seriously. Don't understand how you guys can put this kid on there and then at the same time leave GGG off "because of his resume". It's laughable and shows people's bias against the guy.

[PoserExposer]

Absolutely it is hilarious, I agree with you but he's still a P4P fighter and you can also agree.

Hilarious because they count Golovkins WBA regular defences as world title defences.