Gamboa was more competitive against crawford than brook was vs ggg

[Thraxox]

The premise for the thread is pretty interesting, too bad satiev had to mess it up by suggesting that a natural WW in Brook was the same size as GGG.

Brook is a Natural JMW. He had been vocal that he had been draining to 147 to have size advantage.

How can 5'9 vs 5'10 1/2-'11 be much more of a mismatch than 5'9 Crawford vs 5'4 1/2 Gamboa? Are you really that dense that the simple logic of stats is still unacceptable?

[SplitSecond]

Brook is a Natural JMW. He had been vocal that he had been draining to 147 to have size advantage.

How can 5'9 vs 5'10 1/2-'11 be much more of a mismatch than 5'9 Crawford vs 5'4 1/2 Gamboa? Are you really that dense that the simple logic of stats is still unacceptable?

Guy is a Golovkin hater.

[Mike D]

To tell you the truth I don't like Crawford. He'll probably got beat up if he face a legit Welterweight. Love to see Spence and Porter steamrolls him.

I don't know, Roman. Spence, maybe. He is a big, highly skilled welter after all. But even then I doubt he "steamrolls" a talent like Crawford. Porter though...no way. Terence is too skilled for Porter. I like Porter, and I'd be rooting for him, but Crawford is a cut above Porter from a talent standpoint.

[Dr Rumack]

The public have different expectation levels for all fighters, regarding (a) competition, (b) manner of victory, and (c) achievement.

These expectations are further based on three things:

1. What they've done in the past
2. What people say about them
3. What level of money is involved in their fights

Because of Golovkin's knockout streak stretching back to before most people started watching him, he is expected to dominate and stop his opponents. He doesn't get any credit for it, that is just what he has to do. If the opponent has any success, the story of the fight will be that success.

Although on a higher level the same principle applied to Floyd at his peak, when the story of the Mosley fight was the two right hands Mosley landed, instead of Floyd going on to utterly dominate him. And the same was true of Pacquiao, who began to take criticism for merely outclassing and not blowing away the naturally larger men he beat at welterweight.

Crawford didn't have those sort of expectations coming into the Gamboa fight. Everyone knew he had a lot of potential, but he didn't have the sort of track record where people would see anything other than utter domination as a poor performance.

That's how these things work. People often assume it's deliberate bias, or even racism, but there are differences in what people expect of fighters. Crawford would not get the same pass now as he did back then.

[Caught Square]

You're exaggerating the difference in size between Crawford and Gamboa. He was 7 lbs heavier, not 20. He had 5 inches more reach, not 10. Crawford and Gamboa are 5'8 and 5'5 1/2 not 5'9 and 5'4 1/2.

Crawford is obviously bigger, huge lightweight but let's not make up statistics.

Brook may have been heavy leading up to the fight but this doesn't mean he was a MW. Tim Bradley openly admitted he was as high as 185 lbs in between fights so does that mean him vs Golovkin would be a worthy matchup? Plus Gamboa at least had experience fighting at 135 unlike Brook at 160.

No one before the Gamboa fight was calling it a mismatch and plenty of people were picking Gamboa, a lot of people who were picking Crawford thought it would be a decision rather than KO.

[satiev1]

The public have different expectation levels for all fighters, regarding (a) competition, (b) manner of victory, and (c) achievement.

These expectations are further based on three things:

1. What they've done in the past
2. What people say about them
3. What level of money is involved in their fights

Because of Golovkin's knockout streak stretching back to before most people started watching him, he is expected to dominate and stop his opponents. He doesn't get any credit for it, that is just what he has to do. If the opponent has any success, the story of the fight will be that success.

Although on a higher level the same principle applied to Floyd at his peak, when the story of the Mosley fight was the two right hands Mosley landed, instead of Floyd going on to utterly dominate him. And the same was true of Pacquiao, who began to take criticism for merely outclassing and not blowing away the naturally larger men he beat at welterweight.

Crawford didn't have those sort of expectations coming into the Gamboa fight. Everyone knew he had a lot of potential, but he didn't have the sort of track record where people would see anything other than utter domination as a poor performance.

That's how these things work. People often assume it's deliberate bias, or even racism, but there are differences in what people expect of fighters. Crawford would not get the same pass now as he did back then.

True. Never seen a fighter get stopped in the 5th round and people act like he won the fight. Brook actually believes he did a great job. If ggg dosen't stop his opponent in 6 rounds people start saying he got exposed. The standards that people hold ggg to are even greater than mayweather.