Who has a better resume, Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather?

[IronDanHamza]

No, my logic is that fighters were much more active in the 80's and as we know ring wear plays a much bigger part in a fighters "aging" than their actual age does.

Look at tonight, they talk about Vargas being ring worn after two wars. Do you know how how much punishment Duran took in over 70 fights before fighting Leonard?

And its not like Duran build up a record fighting bums. He won the light weight title in his 28th fight, and had already established himself as one of the greatest lightweights of all time by the time he jumped up to fight Leonard.

Just incase you can't count (Im pretty sure you cant). That is 40 fights between winning the lightweight title, and facing Leonard.

Lets put that in perspective. Floyd only had 31 fights between when he won his first title, and retiring.

Now, I understand that you are unable to accept any accomplishments by any fights not named Floyd Mayweather, but I'll just put that information out there incase you suddenly become capable of logical thinking of any kind.

Incase you missed it (since im sure you only watched 3 rounds of the fight to say you did).

Hagler came on strong early, but gassed around the 11th, and had swelling around his left eye, at which point Duran strung together rounds.



You can watch it again if you want. I doubt you will though, because facts confuse you.

Also incase you didn't know. Duran was the first challenger to take Hagler the distance in a title fight.

I don't need an attempted history lesson from the likes of you. I know what Duran did and I know what Hagler did.

Duran-Hagler was not close. Pretty much accepted by most fans that the cards were poor and the fight wasn't close. To say "he nearly pulled it off" is just not true. Did he have his moments? Sure. Still, wasn't a close fight.

Being active doesn't always equal to a a fighter aging. Ray Leonard literally proves that wrong. And he was an example you cited

Someone like Pacquaio for example has had countless wars, loads of punishment, loads of fights. Yet he's still a top fighter. What's Pacquaio's "real age" today? 70? Such a ******ed logic I can't even fathom it.

Some fighters age fast, some don't. Every one ages differently. Just to say again, more for comical value, the notion that fighters aged quicker in 1980 is just hilariously ******ed and completely illogical.

Either way, Duran wasn't "old" in 1980. I seriously doubt you will literally find anyone that agrees with that.

[IronDanHamza]

how many quality names are on benitez ledger ?

Cervantes (youngest champion ever), Duran, Palomino.

His best wins. Some other solid ones too.

[Elroy The Great]

Cervantes (youngest champion ever), Duran, Palomino.

His best wins. Some other solid ones too.

so not really a whos who. tired of some names being lobbied around all the time without there being an investigation.

as for the age thing, meh. if youre a grown assed man, youre a grown assed man.

the youngest grown assed man isnt really that big of a compliment, imho.

[billeau2]

Read my other comments. The Jury is long gone fam Lol

SRL has bigger names and legends on his resume. For that reason his resume is allot glossier than Floyds. But look at the circumstantial disadvantages of Floyd's resume. He is 15lbs smaller than 80% of his opponents.

Doesnt have the power to hurt them. Was at a great age disadvantage against some of the biggest men he faced.

He shouldnt have even been able to win. But not only did he win, he flatout humiliated them on PURE SKILLS. Lets place SRL at the same disadvantages, he would get killed in the ring. Imagine a 37yrs old SRL, facing a guy who is 22yrs old and 15lbs bigger. Some of these fights wouldnt even be sanctioned.

I think Floyd is BY FAR, LIGHTYEARS, greater and better than SRL. And Imagine Floyd being the same size as SRL, He would humiliate and KO every single person SRL struggled with.

As far as Floyd and Zab, dude Ray Robinson lost to Lommatta who is an AWFUL fighter. SRL lost to a lightweight in Duran, and look at the size disadvantage Lol

I dont go in on them for losing to fighters they should dominate, because its hard to be consistant. You have off days. But you ignore that at a LATER age, Floyd has faced fighters far more dangerous than Zab, and put on a show.

And you talking about SRL, the GREATEST CHERRYPICKER in the history of the sport? Lol the same man who refused to fight anyone, unless he saw a weakness? The man who fought everyone at the right time? Lol

When Floyd was a young fighter, everyone said he was the next SRL, and they projected everything SRL did, onto Floyd. Floyd was crucified for all the ducking and cherrypicking SRL did Lol

In fact, imagine Floyd accusing Cotto and Margarita of taking roids! Floyd looked at Pacman like something he never seen before in his life. Cotto was a great fighter, but Floyd didnt look at him like "Man I never seen anything like this in my life"

Floyd made all that money, and retired to go and spend some of it. But since SRL's scary azz used to retire to duck Hagler, they placed that false trash onto Floyd. Floyd came back at a LATER age, and faced men at greater size, and speed, when he was past prime.

SRL wants you to be old and at your worse when he faces you. He said he knew Duran would gain all that weight so he faced him right away. And he used to have all of his rematches when the opponents had aged.

While, with the exception of Pacman, Floyd doesnt care if your old, small, young, giant, he is going to WHITEWASH YOU no matter what.

In fact, I cant imagine SRL being at the same disadvantages as Floyd and even FACING the opponents Floyd did. SRL wouldnt even fight them.

And did you say Khan? HAHAHAHA!!! You lying fool. The reason Khan didnt get to fight Floyd(no excuses) is because like ALL of Floyd's opponents, Madaina had come off a great win over Broner who was a major star on the rise.

Whats the point of LYING when you know all of this? You all lied and said Marcos was a cherrypick, when the fact is, Floyd didnt have to cherrypick Marcos. He is just another opponent, same as Khan. But Floyd traditionally does the SAME THING for every opponent, minus Berto.

All the young fighters fight to the top of the rank, and whoever has the most standout victory gets Mayweather.

Talking about a poll. It was actually COMMENDABLE, that despite Khan winning a poll, Floyd gave the fight to a more deserving fighter. Yet you lied like "Aww he did WRONG by not facing Khan" Khan fought Collazo Lol

And SRL fought a ONE HANDED Floyd SR, who is NOT HALF THE FIGHTER JR is, and even though you understand this, you misportraited him as Better and Bigger than Floyd Lol I look at that fight, and imagine how humiliatingly one sided a fight between SRL and Floyd would be. SRL did nothing against a bummy Floyd SR, that told either of us, that he can even edge out a victory against JR. SRL can be as fast as he wants. IDGAF about speed.

And you talk about Shane, and Corley and whoever else, stunning Floyd. You fool, you just named a bunch of men who LOST To Floyd Lol

SRL would ABSOLUTELY NOT land frequently on Mayweather. His best chances or in the first round, and after that, Floyd has him bodyscanned and know all of the angles his punches would come from. And because of how easy it is to hit SRL, It would be another Floyd show.

SRL is an outdated fighter, that has not done enough to be compared to Floyd, Who made allot of mistakes Floyd DIDNT, he didnt dedicate himself to the sport like Floyd did, and its an INSULT to compare him to Floyd.

No ww in history will knock Floyd. Based on simple facts, 100 out of 100 times, Floyd is factually invinceable. Only way he can lose, is if you go one weight class above his highest weight class, and you can probably find millions of 154lbers and 160lbers who can beat him on size and force (a technicality)

SRL's tall, skinny, and mentally weak behind cannot beat or be competitive with Floyd. Mismatch!

This post brings up an important issue in this debate...regardless of what opinion one holds. Fighters, as human beings, the intelligent animal (Aristotle) tend to adapt to very specific conditions to thrive: When we start talking about "if" Floyd was larger, "If" Robinson has access to modern enhancements, etc... it demonstrates that there are many possible considerations that one cannot consider in a comparison such as this.

The 80's was a time when there were lots of talent in the middle divisions, Floyd often had to fight at catchweights. Different strategies, different considerations, etc. Ward is a better comparison to Floyd in many respects. Both men had to clean out their division and deal with fighting in different weight classes. Most people consider "great Floyd" at 135 and below. Nobody would put Andre Ward as a great light heavy...His best division is Middle Weight.

The best Sugar Ray leonard was bigger and his best division is different than Floyd's best division. What confuses people is that great fighters often are able to achieve great wins at a different division: Gene Tunney was an incredible heavy weight fighter who beat Dempsey twice! But...A lot of the smart guys in boxing (I would agree with them) would tell you that Tunney rightly belongs on a list of the best light heavies, and was perhaps the best there was at that division.

if you were going to have a team of fighters ask yourself a simple question...Would you have Leonard and Floyd fighting at the same weight?

[billeau2]

If we take Marciano, Floyd and Calzighe...three fighters who were undefeated, we see an interesting correlation: You would be hard pressed to find one ATG in his prime, who fought any of these three fighters.

To me that gives an indication of resume quality because, the knock on Marciano way before Floyd came along, was that he championed over a weak division at the time. Calzighe also gets knocked because of the quality of his opposition, as compared with Roy Jones for example. In this case, Jones fought at least two great fighters coming up: Toney and Hopkins.

I believe that this fact is enough to determine that Leonard had the better resume. It shows that great fighters generally will take an L now and then, if they fight other great fighters. Though we have to be careful! Roy Jones only lost his 0 later in his career, and had beat two great fighters by that time. But Jones often also gets accused of fighting subpar competition.

My point is that given a guy who fought the best and at least one comparable fighter, and took a few losses even...compared to a guy who never, or seldom fought at that level, due to age, or any other factor, it would suggest that the guy who fought better comp has the better resume.

So, we consider Ali to have a better resume than marciano, we consider Jones to have a better resume than Calzighe, and I think we can say the same pattern exists here: that Leonard has a better resume than Floyd.

[speed2kill]

Once Floyd takes care of McGregor, he will be The GOAT! 50-0!

[IronDanHamza]

so not really a whos who. tired of some names being lobbied around all the time without there being an investigation.

as for the age thing, meh. if youre a grown assed man, youre a grown assed man.

the youngest grown assed man isnt really that big of a compliment, imho.

17 though man, that's pretty impressive.

Not even a full adult at that age.

Benitez was a great fighter IMO.

[Elroy The Great]

17 though man, that's pretty impressive.

Not even a full adult at that age.

Benitez was a great fighter IMO.

born in '58. turn 17 in 75' ?

no name in 1975 impresses me.

[Reloaded]

17 though man, that's pretty impressive.

Not even a full adult at that age.

Benitez was a great fighter IMO.

He was but was just under the best .

[IronDanHamza]

born in '58. turn 17 in 75' ?

no name in 1975 impresses me.

He was still 17 in 76.

Antonio Cervantes he beat for the title. A HOF'er.