Who has a better resume, Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather?

[MurkaMan]

Welp, predictably this thread has gone off the rails.

If you're saying Floyd has short arms, you've walked away from the world of facts and evidence.

Provide a link to support outlandish claims; that would help. Floyd had superior reach to most of his opponents (Mosely being one exception, I believe) and made superb use of this advantage, which works so well with his style.

I love Floyd as a fighter, especially at the lighter weights, but if you think he could stop Hearns you need to back away from the crack pipe

The facts are him in the ring. As I have stated, YOUR facts are supported by boxrec and tail of the tape, which claims he is taller and bigger than everyone.

Anyone with a half a brain can look and see that in the ring with Canelo, especially that 4th round, when he WALKED HIM DOWN, It looked like some CGI.

Mayweather was less than half the size of Canelo. Same as Ghost, and everyone else he faced. His arms are short and stubby and these giant tall guys have arms that reach around the ring.

I cant remember the last time Floyd has had a reach advantage, this man is a 135lbs fighter, facing welterweights, and higher.

It sux to give him more credit than you thought he deserved doesnt it?

Reach does nothing in his fights, considering the fact that he has none. His skills and ability to get from here, to their, in a single bound, does the trick!

[sugar ray lenrd]

Iran Barkley beat Hearns. He was a great fighter but had a weak chin. Oscar was harder to beat, so was Pacquiao and I don't believe Marquez was faded. They were both in tremendous shape for the fight. It's just my humble opinion. I could be wrong. All great fighters.

Iran Barkley was a Middllewgt w/ middlewgt power! So It took 2 divisions up Jr Middlewgt & middlewgt before Hearns was able to get KO. you can't compare Oscar nor Pac (they don't have Middlewgt power). No one has ever KO Tommy as a Welter wgt. He lost to another special fighter & that was Sugar Ray Leonard by TKO. So remember Hearns got knocked out by BIGGER guys.

[robertzimmerman]

Iran Barkley beat Hearns. He was a great fighter but had a weak chin. Oscar was harder to beat, so was Pacquiao and I don't believe Marquez was faded. They were both in tremendous shape for the fight. It's just my humble opinion. I could be wrong. All great fighters.

It doesn't matter if Barkley beat Tommy. We're looking at the degree of difficulty and the circumstances involved, solely from the perspective of Floyd and Ray.

Barkley was very tough and strong, who beat Tommy in his 3rd and 5th weight class.

Ray fought Tommy at WW, and he had to fight him as opposed to box him, to pull out a great stoppage win.

Floyd hasn't got a win that even comes close to that.

I give him a lot of credit for his win over Oscar, but Oscar was faded, and going into his fight with Floyd, he'd only fought once in 3 years.

How on earth was Manny harder to beat than Tommy? What are you talking about? Ray had to fight Tommy in a shootout to get the job done. Manny was faded, injured, and Floyd outboxed him with a 5" reach advantage.

Marquez wasn't faded, but Floyd deliberately cheated him on the scales to gain an advantage, and although Marquez is a great fighter, he's not on the level of Benitez and the Fab Four.

[robertzimmerman]

And other than those 3 the rest of his resume is below Floyds overall .

People dont seem to look at the entire body of work and overall accomplishments, they look at a couple of great names and thats it, wayyyyyyyy more to a 20 yr resume than 3% of it .

It's quality over quantity.


He had a great win over Benitez.

He had to did deep and fight Tommy in a shootout to get the win.

He did a psyche job on Duran.

He came out of a 3 year retirement and moved up to MW to beat Marvin.


What's Floyd's biggest wins?


Ray has the better resume.


You can't just brush his wins off because they were ONLY 4 of them.

You're talking about 4 ATG fighters.

Floyd wouldn't even have fought those types of threats, let alone beaten them.

[billeau2]

How on earth does he edge it?

He has zero wins that compare to Ray's best.

They say Leonard was a bit of a cherry picker... Waiting for Marvin to mellow and all, but Floyd was the real master picker. Floyd managed, even when fighting an excellent fighter, to do so after they were past it. Guys like Judah, who could be dangerous, had slipped a few gears, Mosley likewise, marquez and Pac... and a shot de la Hoya. Im suprised he didn't fight Roy at a catch weight! kidding.

[robertzimmerman]

You can stop reading all you want. To me, his arms are way longer than Floyd's. Floyd has short stubby arms!

I would really like to address all of your points that you have made in your previous posts to me. I don't like not responding to people. But honestly, after reading this, is there any point in putting in the effort?

What the hell are you talking about??

If you're going to type out the above, it's just not worth the effort.

Floyd is renowned for having a huge reach for his size.

Everyone knows his reach is 72" long.


Here's a direct quote from him:

As for defeating Pacquiao, Mayweather said, “I knew it was going to be tough.

“His footwork and my footwork are totally different. I used the check hook, the jab when he’d get close, my defense, I’d tie him up.

“Roughhouse, take him back to the center of the ring. Box, combo, just be smart. I had a 72-inch reach to his 67 … take as little punishment as possible. Other fighters got baited into engaging toe to toe with him and that’s what he wanted.”

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-sn-mayweather-pacquiao-relinquish-belts-20150503-story.html

Now if you stop being silly, I will address your other points.

[robertzimmerman]

The facts are him in the ring. As I have stated, YOUR facts are supported by boxrec and tail of the tape, which claims he is taller and bigger than everyone.

Anyone with a half a brain can look and see that in the ring with Canelo, especially that 4th round, when he WALKED HIM DOWN, It looked like some CGI.

Mayweather was less than half the size of Canelo. Same as Ghost, and everyone else he faced. His arms are short and stubby and these giant tall guys have arms that reach around the ring.

I cant remember the last time Floyd has had a reach advantage, this man is a 135lbs fighter, facing welterweights, and higher.

It sux to give him more credit than you thought he deserved doesnt it?

Reach does nothing in his fights, considering the fact that he has none. His skills and ability to get from here, to their, in a single bound, does the trick!

You're either trolling, or you're absolutely clueless.

Kindly tell us which, so we can all move on.

Floyd had a reach advantage over just about everyone he fought.

His Boxrec stats are 100% accurate.

[robertzimmerman]

They say Leonard was a bit of a cherry picker... Waiting for Marvin to mellow and all, but Floyd was the real master picker. Floyd managed, even when fighting an excellent fighter, to do so after they were past it. Guys like Judah, who could be dangerous, had slipped a few gears, Mosley likewise, marquez and Pac... and a shot de la Hoya. Im suprised he didn't fight Roy at a catch weight! kidding.

Correct.

Ray may have stacked the cards in his favour, but he still fought the best and took risks.

Sure, Marvin was faded in 87. But wasn't Ray? He hadn't fought in 3 years, and he moved up to MW.

[billeau2]

Correct.

Ray may have stacked the cards in his favour, but he still fought the best and took risks.

Sure, Marvin was faded in 87. But wasn't Ray? He hadn't fought in 3 years, and he moved up to MW.

Whether Ray was also faded, or not, the irony is Ray was called on his timing...Mayweather, who no doubt was a great fighter, never fought a fellow ATG at their prime and gets a total pass. But yeah I think Ray was also faded.

[MurkaMan]

I would really like to address all of your points that you have made in your previous posts to me. I don't like not responding to people. But honestly, after reading this, is there any point in putting in the effort?

What the hell are you talking about??

If you're going to type out the above, it's just not worth the effort.

Floyd is renowned for having a huge reach for his size.

Everyone knows his reach is 72" long.


Here's a direct quote from him:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-sn-mayweather-pacquiao-relinquish-belts-20150503-story.html

Now if you stop being silly, I will address your other points.

Floyd got those stats from Boxrec and Tail of the tape. I do not think that Floyd has measured his own reach or measured Pac's reach.

And me personally, I never paid attention to Boxrec and Tail of the Tape's stats about their height and reach. Because they always seem to be inaccurate.

Now Floyd is def taller than Pac. Maybe with Pac having longer arms, yet being shorter, Floyd has that advantage. Thats what I give you, and thats all I give you!