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Who has a better resume, Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather?

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  • #51
    The Sugar Man

    Sugar Ray has:

    Duran - ATG and arguably the best lightweight of all time
    Hagler - ATG and arguably the best middleweight of all time
    Hearns - ATG and top ten all time @ 147

    Floyd has:

    Pacquaio - ATG - Multiple lineal titles, etc. etc. etc.
    De La Hoya - ATG - Multi Division Champ, etc.
    Cotto - ATG - Multi Division Champ, etc.

    Both have some good supplemental wins, but Sugar beating the fighters he beat, (who rank much higher on most atg lists higher than Floyd's) more closer to their primes (hearns was absolute peak in 1981) seals the deal

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    • #52
      Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View Post
      Leonard. Floyd prefered fighting smaller guys.
      This is just silly. Who were all these "smaller guys" he fought?

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      • #53
        MurkaMan,

        These are not Floyd's best wins Lol

        His best wins are everyone he faced when he came back at the age of 33, due to circumstantial disadvantages.
        Not everyone he faced, and what about Floyd's huge reach advantage, and the fact that he'd had a break whilst everyone else fought each other?

        Coming off long layoffs to humiliate foes, being undersized by a whopping 15lbs, and being 33 facing men who were 24yrs old, and 15lbs bigger.
        Again, a huge advantage in reach is far more of an advantage than weight.

        I think Ray has the better names on his resume. But put SRL at the same disadvantages, against the same foes, he would get beat df up badly. I cant imagine a 37yr old SRL walking down a man who was 22yrs old and 15lbs bigger.
        You THINK he has the better names on his resume?

        There's no thinking required.

        Yes, Floyd had great longevity, and that should be respected.

        Yes, Ray may not have been able to have beaten younger guys at 37. But it works both ways. Floyd wouldn't have beaten a guy like Hearns.

        Walking him down without getting touched by a single shot, and making it look God-like. By a few lightyears, its Mayweather.

        And think about this. If Floyd had SRL's size and power, and fought the fab four, Floyd would've humiliated them and KO'd them all. SRL had allot of close fights with the fab four. He simply isnt as skilled as Floyd.
        Absolute nonsense.

        Stop exaggerating.

        Floyd didn't have the heart that Ray had.

        He would never have fought a guy like Hearns in the trenches.

        Of course Ray had lots of close fights with the Fab Four. That's because they were truly great fighters.

        These are the reasons I always had Floyd, by far, the greatest in history. NO one could be in his shoes and do what he did. He shouldnt even be able to win, but not only does he win, but he humiliates them. Its astonishing really.

        It will never ever happen again in the history of the sport.
        More nonsense.

        Astonishing?

        Look at all the **** that he pulled throughout his career.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by uppercut510 View Post
          there really isnt!!! ill go with May as well but those names on leonards resume hold some serious weight
          None of Floyd's best wins come close to Ray's.


          What you're left with is:

          Quality vs quantity.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by DeLorean View Post
            the closest thing to Thomas Hearns that Floyd could've faced is Paul Williams..shame that didn't happen. .but we'll give Diego Corrales that spot then.

            closest thing to Roberto Duran that Floyd faced was Jose Luis Castillo.

            don't know who to compare Benitez to..

            closest thing to Hagler is maybe a Maidana.

            ok so SRL has Hearns (1-1 since Ray admits to losing rematch), Hagler (debatable win, Ray admits to taking this fight after seeing slippage in Hagler vs Mugabe), Duran (1-1) and Benitez.. besides those four I don't see anyone bringing up anything else.


            is four worthy names in a 40 fight career really superior to a 49 unblemished record featuring names like Cotto, Mosley, DLH, Canelo, Pacquiao, Marquez, Corrales, Castillo & Maidana?

            again I know my bias since i grew up on Mayweather but we're strictly talking quality of names.. Floyd wins by a mile.
            Like you say, you're being biased.


            You can't compare Hearns to Williams, but Floyd didn't fight Williams.

            You can't compare Benitez to anyone.

            You can't compare Castillo to Duran.

            How on earth can you compare Maidana to Hagler?


            Floyd doesn't win by a mile.

            Again, it's quantity vs quality.


            Look at some of Floyd's best wins.

            Look where his opponents were at the time etc.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by MurkaMan View Post
              Read my comment on page 4. Floyd was freaking 37yrs old and 150lbs. Caneo was 22yrs old and 165 fkiing lbs. Floyd was at the disadvantage, not no damn Canelo Lol

              GTFO with the lies fam
              Canelo was also at a disadvantage.

              He was only 22, his biggest wins had been against Trout and a shot Mosley, and Floyd had a reach advantage.

              Floyd took the shine off of his win by his ridiculous CW demand. Even though beforehand, he'd declared:

              "We don't care what Canelo weighs on fight night. Skills pay the bills, not size"

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              • #57
                Originally posted by bigdramashow View Post
                watch your tone, your talking to a lifelong fan of the sport. Theres not much i dont know about the sport. Should show some respect
                With the absolute horse manure you've written over the past 3 months, you don't deserve any respect.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by robertzimmerman View Post
                  How on earth does he edge it?

                  He has zero wins that compare to Ray's best.
                  Pacquiao, Oscar, Marquez

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by iamboxing View Post
                    Pacquiao, Oscar, Marquez
                    They come nowhere near.


                    Oscar was a great win, but it was very close, and Oscar was faded.

                    He deliberately cheated Marquez on the scales to gain an advantage.

                    Manny was faded and injured.


                    They can't compare to Ray stopping Hearns and beating Benitez etc.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by robertzimmerman View Post
                      Like you say, you're being biased.


                      You can't compare Hearns to Williams, but Floyd didn't fight Williams.

                      You can't compare Benitez to anyone.

                      You can't compare Castillo to Duran.

                      How on earth can you compare Maidana to Hagler?


                      Floyd doesn't win by a mile.

                      Again, it's quantity vs quality.


                      Look at some of Floyd's best wins.

                      Look where his opponents were at the time etc.
                      Ok...party people in da house!!! Good post robert Zimmerman,
                      This post is sum up best by "quality over quantity".
                      Understand that in sugar ray's time there were for the most part 2 world champions per wgt division (this of course lowers your chances for becoming world champion drastically compared to Floyd's time which there now are 4 champions per wgt division.) This without any shadow of doubt increases anyones chances of becoming champion. It also allows for one to pick & choose the most likely weakest title holder, for the sake of being crown.

                      A love Paul Williams but comparing him to Hearns? Lets not go there... Again i like Maidana but comparing him to Hagler (a middle wgt) the comparison would've been GGG & that ain't happening.

                      Marquez was a shorty that is not even a welterweight.

                      Here are some of Floyd's good wins;
                      Baldimor - not on anyones HOF & or ATG list he had 9 loses by the time he fought Floyd

                      Gatti -a shot fighter with 5 loses already

                      Oscar-close fight (this is not the oscar that fought Trinidad,Mosley & Quartey.)

                      Mosley -already had 5 losers. Lost to Vernon Forrest 2x, Winky Wright 2x. Miguel Cotto.
                      The pount I'm making is that when sugar beat Benitez,Duran,Hearns, & Hagler none of those great fighters did not had a lost or a recent beatdown.

                      I am Sugar Ray Leonard! Respect me!

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