Who has a better resume, Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather?

[MurkaMan]

Floyd will come out of retirement, when they hype up the next flat footed, come forward, mexican fighter. Lol

Hype, race, nationality, will not get you a Floyd fight. You have to be the best in the division, like everyone else was.

And Floyd doesnt fight flatfooted foes. He makes EVERYONE look flatfooted. He hasnt fought a Margarita type fighter, in a very long time.

In fact, all his mexican opponents in recent times are fast af, young af, big as hell, but none of that matters when you face Floyd.

[MurkaMan]

You didn't even know how a fighter's reach was measured.

You didn't even know how a fighter's arm length was measured.

When I posted links of the fighters quoting their stats, you said they were wrong, and they must have gotten the figures from another source. Haha!

You're a ****ing JOKE!

The information is there for us all to access.

You can google all of their stats from credible sources.


Now **** off you sad ****.

None of this is true, you LIAR.

I questioned the accuracy of the stats, because they were obviously WRONG. You posted a pic that proved he had shorter arms. You confirmed that the stats claim he had longer arms than Ward and Kovalev Lol


I told you that it was nonsensical, that they claimed he was taller than Ghost and Canelo.

You never wanted to reply. You never wanted to address the elephant in the room. You used cheap tricks to talk around the subject. Now here you are again, trying to go another round.

Go away goofball, you were TKO'd in the 7th!!

[Reloaded]

Let me tell you a couple of things. When Floyd beat Hernandez for his first title shot @ 130, that was special. When he beat Corrales @ 135, that was special. When he beat Oscar @ 154, then came back down to 147 to beat Hatton, that was special. He was definitely on his way, but man after Hatton he fell off bad.

What are you talking about fell off bad, be rational man he beat the best of that generation on equal prime terms, he gave away weight to most of them, he dominated the sport in all areas and made more money than any fighter in history, he broke all kinds of records that may never happen again and you call this falling off bad .

Oh man your mindset is all wrong to whats real in boxing and what is fan hype, you as most young guys are all too macho orientated, got to be best against best every fight, Im here to tell thats not how it is in the real world for any fighter that ever lived.

Floyd had a fantastic career in so many ways that there are quite a few ATGs that are genuinely jealous of what Floyd achieved because he did it all behind a defensive style, he didnt have to fight the blood and guts wars they did, thats not a fault man thats greatness just as they were great so is Floyd just in a different style.

[robertzimmerman]

None of this is true, you LIAR.

I questioned the accuracy of the stats, because they were obviously WRONG. You posted a pic that proved he had shorter arms. You confirmed that the stats claim he had longer arms than Ward and Kovalev Lol


I told you that it was nonsensical, that they claimed he was taller than Ghost and Canelo.

You never wanted to reply. You never wanted to address the elephant in the room. You used cheap tricks to talk around the subject. Now here you are again, trying to go another round.

Go away goofball, you were TKO'd in the 7th!!

The figures that I quoted aren't wrong you absolute spastic!

Do you seriously think that one of the greatest fighters of all time DOESN'T know his own ****ing measurements?????

Seriously???


Don't EVER quote me again you lunatic.

[djtmal]

What are you talking about fell off bad, be rational man he beat the best of that generation on equal prime terms, he gave away weight to most of them, he dominated the sport in all areas and made more money than any fighter in history, he broke all kinds of records that may never happen again and you call this falling off bad .

Oh man your mindset is all wrong to whats real in boxing and what is fan hype, you as most young guys are all too macho orientated, got to be best against best every fight, Im here to tell thats not how it is in the real world for any fighter that ever lived.

Floyd had a fantastic career in so many ways that there are quite a few ATGs that are genuinely jealous of what Floyd achieved because he did it all behind a defensive style, he didnt have to fight the blood and guts wars they did, thats not a fault man thats greatness just as they were great so is Floyd just in a different style.

He wasted a lot of time not making the fights that would have gave much better definition legacy wise imo, and

What are you talking about, gave up weight to most of 'em.

Oscar, Hatton, Shane, Cotto, Manny, Marquez, Gatti, Floyd, all of those guys started out below the ww division and moved into the division just as Floyd did. Fundamentally, not too much separates them. Floyd beat these guys, so lets not overrate it by making him out to be this teeny guy who barely marked 147 on the scales. If he didn't feel the need to rehydrate too many lbs after the weigh-in, cool, but all of those guys moved up to the ww division at one point or another because that is the money division.

And what Floyd did is great, nobody is saying otherwise, but am I going to overrate it. Absolutely not. Especially when it come to atg's from diffferent era's. At least the ones that I have actually watched, and l am not no young cat I go back to the early 70's watching boxing. One set of rules. Who you beat, and when you beat them secures your place on the totem pole. Thats it and thats all. Everything else is fluff.

[Reloaded]

He wasted a lot of time not making the fights that would have gave much better definition legacy wise imo, and

What are you talking about, gave up weight to most of 'em.

Oscar, Hatton, Shane, Cotto, Manny, Marquez, Gatti, Floyd, all of those guys started out below the ww division and moved into the division just as Floyd did. Fundamentally, not too much separates them. Floyd beat these guys, so lets not overrate it by making him out to be this teeny guy who barely marked 147 on the scales. If he didn't feel the need to rehydrate too many lbs after the weigh-in, cool, but all of those guys moved up to the ww division at one point or another because that is the money division.

And what Floyd did is great, nobody is saying otherwise, but am I going to overrate it. Absolutely not. Especially when it come to atg's from diffferent era's. At least the ones that I have actually watched, and l am not no young cat I go back to the early 70's watching boxing. One set of rules. Who you beat, and when you beat them secures your place on the totem pole. Thats it and thats all. Everything else is fluff.

Fight night weight Im talking about.off the top my head.
Castillo he gave 15 lb
Corrales he gave weight to think it was about 8lb .
Oscar he gave 16 lbs too.
Mosley about 5lb.
Cotto about 10lb
Canelo about 18lb .
Hatton he gave 1 lb too on the night, he was 152 Hatton was 153.

Dont get all hung up on the division , like Hatton was a JWW well so was Floyd at the time, real size not division real size, they just fought it out with a 147 weigh-in meaning they made weight real easy, no drying out, in those days 147 was piece of cake for Floyd he consistently made 146 easy for years, then he got older, and built up into the heavier division his body was a hanging on to weight differently than years ago, this process started after the Judah fight .

Floyd as a prime fighter is around 3-5lb bigger than Manny JMM Morales Barrera etc real weight and anywhere from 130 to 147 they will be withing that 3-5 from each other, this group when young and hungry were beasts around 130 and could make great 140 fighters, because they were true greats they went higher but they are all not true WWs.

The next group is Oscar Cotto Mosley Margarito Williams etc that go from 140 to 160 because they have the frame to build on, you can even scale them into 2 groups again if you wanted as you have the same 3-5 swing going on.

These guys are bigger than the first group, but not big enough as to not being able to fight, the first group is pushing sht up hill to go to MW, where Oscar Margo Williams can, this is the real world size difference in play nothing to do with division just real weight .

Divisions are just a scale to organize a bunch into a few rounding off weight , its not declaring some great advantage or disadvantage, that is subjective on who are the fighters, a fighters best boxing ability weight wise generally can merge 2 weight classes.

The great Tommy Hearns is a giant for making WW thats why he was able to go to Cruiser he had a large frame , imagine Manny or Floyd going to cruiser lol they just dont have the frame they would look like melons with a cherry on top.

I tell you what , Floyd would KO Leonard at 130 lbs, so would Manny and they could both KO Hearns the following weekend,,,at 130 pounds !

Now at 147 they both probably KO Manny and Floyd, this sht is exactly why Im always on about fight night weights, it critical as far as the combat in the ring goes .

Fans argue about hype, titles, gloves, shoes, divisions, they not arguing the real fight, and what it all means to the fighter on fight night be like a pro punter arguing about saddles and horseshoes.

I think to be fair to any fighter is to compare them at their personal best fighting weight, any other view is distorted in some way, if you want to argue great fighters head to head they got to be from the same real weight, other wise someone is at distinct disadvantage .

[robertzimmerman]

Fight night weight Im talking about.off the top my head.
Castillo he gave 15 lb
Corrales he gave weight to think it was about 8lb .
Oscar he gave 16 lbs too.
Mosley about 5lb.
Cotto about 10lb
Canelo about 18lb .
Hatton he gave 1 lb too on the night, he was 152 Hatton was 153.

Dont get all hung up on the division , like Hatton was a JWW well so was Floyd at the time, real size not division real size, they just fought it out with a 147 weigh-in meaning they made weight real easy, no drying out, in those days 147 was piece of cake for Floyd he consistently made 146 easy for years, then he got older, and built up into the heavier division his body was a hanging on to weight differently than years ago, this process started after the Judah fight .

Floyd as a prime fighter is around 3-5lb bigger than Manny JMM Morales Barrera etc real weight and anywhere from 130 to 147 they will be withing that 3-5 from each other, this group when young and hungry were beasts around 130 and could make great 140 fighters, because they were true greats they went higher but they are all not true WWs.

The next group is Oscar Cotto Mosley Margarito Williams etc that go from 140 to 160 because they have the frame to build on, you can even scale them into 2 groups again if you wanted as you have the same 3-5 swing going on.

These guys are bigger than the first group, but not big enough as to not being able to fight, the first group is pushing sht up hill to go to MW, where Oscar Margo Williams can, this is the real world size difference in play nothing to do with division just real weight .

Divisions are just a scale to organize a bunch into a few rounding off weight , its not declaring some great advantage or disadvantage, that is subjective on who are the fighters, a fighters best boxing ability weight wise generally can merge 2 weight classes.

The great Tommy Hearns is a giant for making WW thats why he was able to go to Cruiser he had a large frame , imagine Manny or Floyd going to cruiser lol they just dont have the frame they would look like melons with a cherry on top.

I tell you what , Floyd would KO Leonard at 130 lbs, so would Manny and they could both KO Hearns the following weekend,,,at 130 pounds !

Now at 147 they both probably KO Manny and Floyd, this sht is exactly why Im always on about fight night weights, it critical as far as the combat in the ring goes .

Fans argue about hype, titles, gloves, shoes, divisions, they not arguing the real fight, and what it all means to the fighter on fight night be like a pro punter arguing about saddles and horseshoes.

I think to be fair to any fighter is to compare them at their personal best fighting weight, any other view is distorted in some way, if you want to argue great fighters head to head they got to be from the same real weight, other wise someone is at distinct disadvantage .

Weight isn't anywhere near as important as reach and arm length.

Look at the difference between him and Hatton for example.

Floyd had a huge advantage.

[Spoon23]

This isnt even close. Leonards best wins are vs prime ATGs. he won a welter and middleweight title from the ring champ.

Floyd never beat one ATG in his prime .
Floyds biggest wins were vs popular names
Who were old , past it, small and drained,green
Along with vastly overated fighters.
Floyds best win is vs maidana in fight 2. He was a peak version of a very solid fighter who I would say was B level.

Cotto was fair fight anf a solid win but he wasnt the same guy he was before margarito.margo took some life out of cotto.
Hatton was small
Corrales was drained and out of his mind
Canelo was very green and popular
Oscar was old and part time
Pac was old and very shop worn and iced
Gatti was small overated and popular
Shane was old and overated at that point
Ghost was very overated and sucks azz
Baldomir was a joke
Berto was a joke
Zab was overated
ortiz was a prime headcase. C level fighter with no heart

Marquez was small and old .he just had pacs number .

Manfredy was average

In reality floyds resume is overated.there were less popular names that were better fighters that he decided not to fight.

This is just keeping it real


Floyd was taller than most his opponents and had longer arms as well. Most , not all. I just cant see floyd last 12 rounds vs hearns or hagler to add the cherry on top. Imagine floyd had no youtube to go off to study his opponents. Floyd vs emanuel steward . Nahhh.

case closed.

[djtmal]

Fight night weight Im talking about.off the top my head.
Castillo he gave 15 lb
Corrales he gave weight to think it was about 8lb .
Oscar he gave 16 lbs too.
Mosley about 5lb.
Cotto about 10lb
Canelo about 18lb .
Hatton he gave 1 lb too on the night, he was 152 Hatton was 153.

Dont get all hung up on the division , like Hatton was a JWW well so was Floyd at the time, real size not division real size, they just fought it out with a 147 weigh-in meaning they made weight real easy, no drying out, in those days 147 was piece of cake for Floyd he consistently made 146 easy for years, then he got older, and built up into the heavier division his body was a hanging on to weight differently than years ago, this process started after the Judah fight .

Floyd as a prime fighter is around 3-5lb bigger than Manny JMM Morales Barrera etc real weight and anywhere from 130 to 147 they will be withing that 3-5 from each other, this group when young and hungry were beasts around 130 and could make great 140 fighters, because they were true greats they went higher but they are all not true WWs.

The next group is Oscar Cotto Mosley Margarito Williams etc that go from 140 to 160 because they have the frame to build on, you can even scale them into 2 groups again if you wanted as you have the same 3-5 swing going on.

These guys are bigger than the first group, but not big enough as to not being able to fight, the first group is pushing sht up hill to go to MW, where Oscar Margo Williams can, this is the real world size difference in play nothing to do with division just real weight .

Divisions are just a scale to organize a bunch into a few rounding off weight , its not declaring some great advantage or disadvantage, that is subjective on who are the fighters, a fighters best boxing ability weight wise generally can merge 2 weight classes.

The great Tommy Hearns is a giant for making WW thats why he was able to go to Cruiser he had a large frame , imagine Manny or Floyd going to cruiser lol they just dont have the frame they would look like melons with a cherry on top.

I tell you what , Floyd would KO Leonard at 130 lbs, so would Manny and they could both KO Hearns the following weekend,,,at 130 pounds !

Now at 147 they both probably KO Manny and Floyd, this sht is exactly why Im always on about fight night weights, it critical as far as the combat in the ring goes .

Fans argue about hype, titles, gloves, shoes, divisions, they not arguing the real fight, and what it all means to the fighter on fight night be like a pro punter arguing about saddles and horseshoes.

I think to be fair to any fighter is to compare them at their personal best fighting weight, any other view is distorted in some way, if you want to argue great fighters head to head they got to be from the same real weight, other wise someone is at distinct disadvantage .

This is a fair breakdown, it really is, but, Floyd era, those guys weigh in the day before the fight, which means both guys have the option to rehydrate up or down and fight at the weight that is most optimum for them after an official weigh-in. Sugar era was same day weigh-in. Not much in the way of either guy rehydrating up too high there.

What all this means in the grand scheme of things is anybody's guess. If the point is, Floyd is fighting all these bigger guys, not really. One guy just weighs a few pounds more after rehydrating. Right now, floyd walks around at about 160lbs, so that suggests to me that he could rehydrate higher after a 147 weigh in if he chose to, but does Floyd get style points for that. Honestly it would depend on who he beat. Floyd's 2x wins, over Castillo were good wins, but it doesn't give Floyd style points because Castillo was 15bs heavier imo. Plus Castillo, wasn't unified, isn't on nobody's p4p lists, probably was not lineal @ 135 (I don't give much credence to the ring belt) brings a style to the table, that Floyd has seen a million times. Alvarez yeah, because Alvarez, started out @ 147 if I am not mistaken, and was big jmw, can really box, and is a naturally bigger guy than Floyd.

In the higher weights, imo, Floyd's best wins were the undefeated, prime ricky hatton, and I would say Canelo should have been ready enough to beat Floyd, but failed.

[Shape up]

many ATGs never fought that many people in a single year.
1) compare all hofers by that standard.
2) i wonder if those 22 guys were clowns or LEGIT contenderS

You lying fool, Floyd has never had any advantages. When your 37 and 150lbs, fighting a man that is 22yrs old and 165lbs, their is nothing you could say about HIM being at an advantage.

Floyd could face God himself, and you would MAKE up a lie about how somehow God isnt good enough,

Tell the truth, dont lie at Floyd's expense. Everytime he fought someone, you all made up lies about how the opponent wasnt good enough, when in reality, if him and Pac werent facing eachother, he always fought the best outside of Pac!

Thats just who Floyd is, and facing all of these big young guys, should be PRAISED. Not hated. This man did everything right, and honored the sport, yet you clowns never gave credit. The greatest fighter in history fought in YOUR ERA, be proud that you were apart of it!

Did floyd say he wasn't coming out to fight maidana if maidana wore horse hair gloves which were passed by the association, yes or no, did floyd drag canelo under the weight limit, yes or no, does floyd get injections to numb his hands before he fights, yes or no, was floyd allowed to use an IV, yes or no, was floyd made to fight his mandatories, yes or no, your an ignorant moron