Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[Ascended]

Cmon, non of this historical champs, like Dempsey, Jack Johnson wouldn`t have a chance against modern heavyweights. Be realistic, those guys were simple too small. And they were not muscular and strong like Mike Tyson. Even iron Mike was stopped when he faced much bigger guys ( Lennox).

Stop idealizing fighters from the past.

No stop being crazy is what you say to these crazy idiots

[MisterDeclanCor]

No stop being crazy is what you say to these crazy idiots

man how can u call someone a idiot who might only have one arm>? how do you know i dont have one arm? and you laugh. you are on drugs and mcdonaldsfat

[Ascended]

man how can u call someone a idiot who might only have one arm>? how do you know i dont have one arm? and you laugh. you are on drugs and mcdonaldsfat

Well I wouldn't insult a person for not having a certain body part why would I maybe you would I attack people who say dumb things

oh vhs looks better then hd cause it came out first thats the mindstate here

since Jack beat tall people means he can beat any tall person doesn't matter the skill level he beat tall so its all that he needs to show he can beat taller straight crazy logic

Tell me if that really makes sense cause its no logical reason to pick him over any modern who moves good with skill nobody he fought had skill or good movement compared

[Ascended]

Lol @ dempsey beating the likes of wlad and joshua.

I roll my eyes whenever a young boxing fan tries to praise these fighters from the 1920s as if they were actually there to experience the whole thing.. im not going to judge a fighter off these black and white 10 minute clips off youtube. I need to see a few fights in full and with clarity.

It makes me chuckle when a fairly young fan talks about Jack Johnson or gene tunney like they understand these fighters inside and out. Reading old articles or listening to what your grandfather told you isnt good enough. One had to actually live in the moment to know ...

Anyway, Amir Mansour would wipe the floor with dempsey

Not funny to me its odd always have been look at the way they fought back then like trash why would anybody in their right mind say he could beat any mid/high level fighter in 70s-90s its like they never seen anybody from those eras

[Clegg]

Too much has changed to be able to take somebody from so long ago and put them in a modern fight. It's like when a top amateur turns pro, they need time to adapt to how different the pro game is. It's true that Dempsey was not a huge guy, but 2-3 years of our modern diet and training and he'd be a larger version of Mike Tyson. Not as refined, but good enough to be competitive with Wilder, AJ, Usyk imo. Fury has too many dimensions, an inside game, as well as being that much bigger and stronger.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Well instead of people just dismissing a fighter like Dempsey due to size 'I think you have to look at his feats vs today's heavyweights'.

And remember? If you was to transport Jack Dempsey to 2022, he is going to be exposed to today's technology and Science. Do you think he is just going to carry on training and living the way he was in the 1920's? He will most likely add a few additions to his training and take advantage of certain information.

Jack Dempsey was a fighter who fought during a time when boxing matches 'Lasted for a duration of 15 rounds'. There are no heavyweights today, who have fought under such conditions at elite level. So straight away, Dempsey has a feat of endurance that none of these top heavyweights these days have achieved. Although, I don't think any of his fights went the distance 'He would of been training in a way, which prepared him for 15 rounds'.

I don't think Dempsey was as big as Marciano or Joe Louis, so I don't think in today's era even he would be competing at heavyweight. He is ether going to stay around 185 pounds, or pump himself up to around 200 pounds.

I would just imagine Dempsey to be a lot more fitter, and have greater endurance than a lot of heavyweights around today. And from what I have seen, his movement was that of like a Middle-Weight at his peak 'And he has ****** out fighters weighing over 240 pounds' I don't think automatically you can dismiss a fighter with this type of ability.

If you was to transport all the heavyweights today back to the 1920's, with no prior knowledge of today's technology or science 'The only think they remember is that they are fighters' Do you guys really think Tyson Fury is going to be 270 + pounds? Do you really think all these fighters who pop supplement pills and drink gallons of protein shakes are really, going to be the same fighters? Oleksandr Usyk is not going to be 221 pounds.

We have already seen what happens to Anthony Joshua, when he stops playing around in the weights room. He is most likely at best going to be weigh around 220 pounds to 230 pounds maximum.

The only fighters who will be able to travel back in time to the 1920's and be the same fighters, are fighters who are old school. Fighters like Floyd Mayweather Junior, Joe Calzaghe, Lennox Lewis, Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins, Mike Tyson, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns and a lot more fighters from the 80's 'Fighters who's training methodologies were still based around old school training'.

Tyson Fury currently right now is a bi-product of today's technology and information that is available. He is not a old school fighter, and he try's his best to pump himself up. Back in the 1920's, he is most likely going to be 20 - 30 pounds lighter.

So to conclude, depending on under what conditions Jack Dempsey fights today's heavyweights under will greatly affect the outcome. If they all transport themselves back to the 1920's, they may have a extremely difficult time. And likewise, if Dempsey transports himself to 2022 and immerses himself in today's science and technology 'Certain area's of his game may improve, he will be able to add more weight to his frame efficiently'.

[Ascended]

Isaac Chilemba never stepped in the ring with Usyk. You are thinking of the Ukrainian prospect that he quit against and he wasn't made "mince meat".

Dempsey had well over 100 fights. Somewhere in the range of 130-150. Most of them unreported as most older records are.

I was not comparing them in terms of skill but in terms of size. Don't get that confused. You said that the reason he loses is because of strength and size. Not skill. What does Wlad pose? A jab and hold? Dempsey would beat his guts out of his back. Body punching was emphasized a lot more back then than it is today. A lost art really.

I can see you aren't that familiar with the generation in question so I won't go too far into depth about them.

Plenty of fighters had fights in the 200-300 range. Ever heard of Jack Blackburn? Joe Gans? Sam Langford? Harry Greb? All of these guys had fights well into the 200s and 300s. Langford had at least 319 documented fights.

The only fighters I even consider how they would do in other eras are those that were great/elite in their own.

Boxrec doesn't give you the full story.

Your point of comparing is not valid then all you dummies say how jack fought big men it doesn't matter who he fought it matters how they fought why do you idiots keep and have repeated over the years like dummies how him and louis beat Big men the men they beat was trash and moved bad

You have to add how they moved cause without that saying that they was big men doesnt matter cause they moved bad like I said its not impressive

We have to compare how they fought and its nobody that jack or louis beat who was big and moved good with skill so why keep saying they beat big men when they moved bad why not just say they didnt fight any big men that moved good with skill which is fact cause saying they best big men who was trash makes you people look crazy and like idiots

Oh I beat a big man but he wasnt skilled why would I be proud of that its not impressive so why are you impressed by it makes no sense

[Ascended]

No its people like you are clueless, may aswell not bother with weight divisions if you dont think weight matters much. Its not really a coincidence is it that the current and recent beltholders have been giants is it (fury, klitscko, joshua, wilder) all twice the size of dempsey. Its because size matters. And your tyson comparison is ridiculous, guy was double the size of dempsey in terms of muscle.

The dude is a crazy troll nobody is that dumb its obvious he is troll saying the bull he said

[Madison Boxing]

The dude is a crazy troll nobody is that dumb its obvious he is troll saying the bull he said

jack dempsey was 85kg and 185 cm ffs, hes tiny by todays standards, he'd literally just get walked through, punches wouldnt do a damn thing. even usyk is 100kg, tyson was 100kg and they were/are considered small heavyweights. look at his damn photos, ridiculously overrating past fighters doesnt make you some hardcore fan, it makes you look like a dumbass.

[Ascended]

jack dempsey was 85kg and 185 cm ffs, hes tiny by todays standards, he'd literally just get walked through, punches wouldnt do a damn thing. even usyk is 100kg, tyson was 100kg and they were/are considered small heavyweights. look at his damn photos, ridiculously overrating past fighters doesnt make you some hardcore fan, it makes you look like a dumbass.

Facts and its nobody jack fought that had good movement and skill all they say is he beat big men but they always leave out how they moved bad

and was trash all it takes is beating a big men and that means can compete with a big man
with skills and good movement straight up crazy logic why would anybody who is in their right mind think cause a man big tall heavy trash men that they can beat a tall skilled man its odd always have been

So i guess if im a basketball player and I do good in high school it means I can complete in the real league