Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[HandsofIron]

Lol @ dempsey beating the likes of wlad and joshua.

I roll my eyes whenever a young boxing fan tries to praise these fighters from the 1920s as if they were actually there to experience the whole thing.. im not going to judge a fighter off these black and white 10 minute clips off youtube. I need to see a few fights in full and with clarity.

It makes me chuckle when a fairly young fan talks about Jack Johnson or gene tunney like they understand these fighters inside and out. Reading old articles or listening to what your grandfather told you isnt good enough. One had to actually live in the moment to know ...

Great f'ing post!

[ShoulderRoll]

I dont beleive the fight goes long,weight advantage of 240 plus wont bother wlad at all if he needs to fight rounds ,what is often ignored here is the actual punch out puts Wlad delivers he still has the record for most punches thrown in a 12 rnd fight i believe...

What??? I think you have it backwards. Wlad holds the record for the FEWEST punches landed in a 12 round title fight, for his pathetic performance against Fury.

Tunney the long style outside fighter defeating Wlad with in and out footwork? I dont see it.

Not just with in and out footwork. With lateral movement. Tunney would box circles around Wlad just by constantly changing up the pace and rhythm of his angles.

[Joe Beamish]

Again, these mental contests that span like 8 decades need to be defined. The old guys had different rules. They would have an advantage using those rules, just as today's fighters would enjoy a huge advantage by today's rules.

You have to state the obvious around here, though most people still won't get it.

[Fury4daWIN]

He had a speed advantage over Kovalev, and a style to get inside of bigger guys.

I'm sure he could also hit harder, and he had a bigger reach.

I don't see how Kovalev would do better as a HW.

He had a style advantage.

Speed looks about equal.

Impossible to say whether he punched harder or not, for a number of reasons.

Thing is, that's all by the by. No one would give Kovalev a chance in hell of dominating the heavyweight division yet Dempsey, who was more or less the same dimensions, has all sorts of arguments spun up around him to justify his beating men he has substantial physical disadvantages over.

Sometimes a bit of common sense is needed here.

[juggernaut666]

What??? I think you have it backwards. Wlad holds the record for the FEWEST punches landed in a 12 round title fight, for his pathetic performance against Fury.



Not just with in and out footwork. With lateral movement. Tunney would box circles around Wlad just by constantly changing up the pace and rhythm of his angles.

Once again showing boxing is NOT your sport to follow! You absolutely are horrible and plain ignorant i think im going to have to redo my worst top 10 poster list and update !

[ShoulderRoll]

Once again showing boxing is NOT your sport to follow! You absolutely are horrible and plain ignorant i think im going to have to redo my worst top 10 poster list and update !

Instead of name calling like a little girl why don't you argue with facts.

What's your source for Klitschko having a record high punch output?

[Kigali]

Instead of name calling like a little girl why don't you argue with facts.

What's your source for Klitschko having a record high punch output?

Jack Daniels

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"Floyd Mayweather is better than Sugar Ray Robinson in the skills department and only those who are brainwashed by nostalgia would refute my claims".....................

You don't know what your watching if you think Mayweather has more skills, talent and guts than Robinson! There is NOTHING that Mayweather does that is better than Sugar Ray.

You are welcome to your opinion but my opinion has more value because I actually worked in the business. If your a dentist or architect I'm not valuing my opinion of those professions over yours.

Dempsey was a top tier talent when evaluating him in his style and with his form. He was not a stand up boxer like Wlad. Wlad was very successful at utilizing his athletic ability especially learning a methodology from Stewart. Dempsey was also extremely gifted performing his style as a pressure fighter who had a great two handed attack.

Out of all the sports watched since the 1930's boxing has the least innovations as to techniques applied. There are no new punches thrown in fact there's less. The duration of title fights has decreased! There are more titles on the line offered by watered down federations than ever before.
In regards to the heavyweight competition the Klitz era was as bad as the early 50's up to 1960. It many ways it was worse because there so many more boxers available with the popularity of the amateur programs throughout the world.

People are only speculating about out comes, to decide a man like Dempsey has "no chance" just sounds like a boxings fanboy observation.
I'm not a huge fan of Dempsey I just admired his determination and attitude when the bell rang. When a fighter like Mike Tyson tells everyone he met when he was a kid that he is trying to emulate Dempsey that should explain to fans how Dempsey is
held in such high esteem.
Dempsey came to destroy not have the judges play a roll. Fighters who bring that methodology are always more impressive than a fellow like Wlad who jabs and holds. Mayweather couldn't carry Robinson's jock, come on Mayweather is a 130 pounder not a welter yet there are people on this forum who think he's ATG over everyone? Really he had 12 fights at 147! ok enough of this tripe.
Elroy would be right in the middle with toilet paper on his shoe!

Ray

I hold my Grandfather and all World War 2 veterans in high esteem. But guess what? If you pit them h2h against any of the armed forces of today, Navy or Infantry, they'd be nothing but cannon fodder.
Mayweather is absolutely better than SRR technically if we're talking about looking at the footage available to us. I'm saying this as a person who ranks SRR No1 p4p because I acknowledge he's a trailblazer and his career. To say he moves better than Floyd? Posses a higher ring IQ? Throws a punch better technique wise?.

Dempsey would have 0 chance vs Super HWs Lewis onwards. Zero. He's a Cruiser, if that. He'd be rendered unconscious by these big boys that can actually Box. I have to emphasize the point this generations 'OAFS' can actually Box much better than the lumbering figures of Willard ND Co.

Coach Ray, Floyd would be your model student, would he not?.

P. S I friggin miss Elroy. That was prime History section.

Dempsey was a bouncer at a lumberjack tavern....that should tell anybody how badass he was.

Well Lennox Lewis is a career long Boxer who as a teenager/young Adult picked up a Golden Medal in the Olympic Games and then transitioned into the FULL TIME pro ranks. He then became unified champion beating the **** out of Tyson who was a supposed reincarnation of Dempsey. Don't tell me about a 6 ft 1 bouncer (if true) when you have Lewis and Soviet produced Wlad. Don't let me get into the soviet system.
You know the mini empire that nurtured talented children to become world class athletes (in some cases by hook or by crook).
We also have second generation Boxers now most famous and talented being Floyd. Eubank Jr being next up.

Quit spit shining Ray he doesn't need a little kid speaking on behalf of him.

lol I'm amazed by some of the comments in this thread.

Being taller than somebody doesn't mean you're 'bigger' than them and being bigger doesn't mean you're better anyway.

Dempsey would beat most, if not all of these current HWs to a pulp.

He's not a HW by today's standard. He'd probably get a fight sanctioned here in England because we've got Bellew vs Haye but he'd 100% get knocked out. & to all you people saying height & weight doesn't mean anything in a limitless division, then you lack common sense.

You ducked almost all of my points providing no counter argument.

Do you seriously think that the guys you mentioned were ready for the pros before they won all of those medals and competed at the elite amateur level? When the amateur system got better, fighters stopped having 300 fight careers. End of that argument.

Joshua has beaten nobody and neither has Usyk. It is easy to look good against B level competition.

B level competition? Isaac Chilemba would make anybody look bad from that era solely because of SKILL & TECHNIQUE. Isaac would have been a GOD those days. Have you actually watched the footage of those old fighters?. Usyk made mince meat of Isaac.

300 fight careers? Jack Dempsey had fights on par with Wladimir & B hop, give or take a few. This what you old crowd do, you just make up garbage and repeat mythological stories bandied about by the outdated closed press who made these fighters out to be something they're not.
Firpo and Willard didn't have 80 fights between them. These were the super HWs Dempsey dispatched. You have the audacity to compare these guys to the likes of Wladimir and Lewis, Gold medalist before becoming unified champions.

Don't just throw around that 300 fight bullcrap especially when debating with me mate that's unfounded rubbish. You actually think a 1915-1930 HW has a chance in hell these days?. Boxing hardcore are panning out to be very fickle when you scratch the surface.

[Kigali]

I hold my Grandfather and all World War 2 veterans in high esteem. But guess what? If you pit them h2h against any of the armed forces of today, Navy or Infantry, they'd be nothing but cannon fodder.
Mayweather is absolutely better than SRR technically if we're talking about looking at the footage available to us. I'm saying this as a person who ranks SRR No1 p4p because I acknowledge he's a trailblazer and his career. To say he moves better than Floyd? Posses a higher ring IQ? Throws a punch better technique wise?.

Dempsey would have 0 chance vs Super HWs Lewis onwards. Zero. He's a Cruiser, if that. He'd be rendered unconscious by these big boys that can actually Box. I have to emphasize the point this generations 'OAFS' can actually Box much better than the lumbering figures of Willard ND Co.

Coach Ray, Floyd would be your model student, would he not?.

P. S I friggin miss Elroy. That was prime History section.



Well Lennox Lewis is a career long Boxer who as a teenager/young Adult picked up a Golden Medal in the Olympic Games and then transitioned into the FULL TIME pro ranks. He then became unified champion beating the **** out of Tyson who was a supposed reincarnation of Dempsey. Don't tell me about a 6 ft 1 bouncer (if true) when you have Lewis and Soviet produced Wlad. Don't let me get into the soviet system.
You know the mini empire that nurtured talented children to become world class athletes (in some cases by hook or by crook).
We also have second generation Boxers now most famous and talented being Floyd. Eubank Jr being next up.

Quit spit shining Ray he doesn't need a little kid speaking on behalf of him.



He's not a HW by today's standard. He'd probably get a fight sanctioned here in England because we've got Bellew vs Haye but he'd 100% get knocked out. & to all you people saying height & weight doesn't mean anything in a limitless division, then you lack common sense.



B level competition? Isaac Chilemba would make anybody look bad from that era solely because of SKILL & TECHNIQUE. Isaac would have been a GOD those days. Have you actually watched the footage of those old fighters?. Usyk made mince meat of Isaac.

300 fight careers? Jack Dempsey had fights on par with Wladimir & B hop, give or take a few. This what you old crowd do, you just make up garbage and repeat mythological stories bandied about by the outdated closed press who made these fighters out to be something they're not.
Firpo and Willard didn't have 80 fights between them. These were the super HWs Dempsey dispatched. You have the audacity to compare these guys to the likes of Wladimir and Lewis, Gold medalist before becoming unified champions.

Don't just throw around that 300 fight bullcrap especially when debating with me mate that's unfounded rubbish. You actually think a 1915-1930 HW has a chance in hell these days?. Boxing hardcore are panning out to be very fickle when you scratch the surface.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

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