Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Brook, Joshua-PEDs, GGG-Jacobs

[M Bison]

Lol! You over-emotional clown. He was comparing Spence's style to those fighters, not his achievements.

You GGG fangirls compare GGG to the ATG and HOFs in head to head scenarios and in terms of resume and achievement. That's totally different to what Breadman did.

This post gets a complete F- grade.

His comments were fair and unbiased and here you come along with your pathetic trolling, reported.

Why even bother replying to any comment that is that solid If you've got nothing decent to say I mean you've took no point and prove it wrong?

[M Bison]

By the way to all the fans complaining about supposed "white fans" overhyping GGG by comparing him to Hagler or whatever, I just want to make a note of this. Errol Spence, whose best win is Chris Algieri, is now a combination of 135 Shane Mosley, and ****ing light heavyweight Michael Moorer.

Just saying... GGG has the highest KO% in middleweight history, 17 straight title defenses, beat the true lineal champ at 160 Martin Murray, beat the two biggest punchers at 160 besides himself Lemieux and Stevens and is now facing the third one, Danny Jacobs. What other fighter has cleaned out not just one other puncher in their division, but literally THE THREE biggest punchers, one after another?

So all I'm saying is that on the scale of ridiculousness, comparing GGG to ATG middleweights is a lot less ridiculous than comparing Errol Spence to prime Mosley and Michael Moorer. Spence is very talented but he's not as aggressive as GGG, he's fighting worse opponents than GGG is, and yet he's still getting hit MORE than GGG. As Breadman correctly pointed out, I would pick Brook over Spence at 150 or 152 or whatever he can make comfortably these days. 147? Ehhh. Thurman-Spence is also pick-em. Porter could take Thurman's shots, but no one else has been able to without at least getting dropped. Spence gets hit so that is a fight where both chins would come into play. I feel both would land a LOT on each other. Spence is not Floyd he's not going to neutralize the offense of these other guys, plus Floyd never fought anyone like Thurman but regardless, Spence is not going to neutralize the offense of these guys 100%, which means he's actually going to have to fight, unlike Floyd. And when there's an actual fight with another talented guy with speed and power, it's going to be competitive.

So anything can happen. I agree Spence being a southpaw, long reach, speed, power, that he has it all. But is his speed actually on that Floyd, Pacquiao level? If he fights Crawford who is faster? Crawford is faster by far. Spence is more like Canelo mixed with Floyd, or more like Thurman. And what about power? Spence has very good power draining down to 147 where he's the bigger guy, but it's not A+ power. He's fought guys with absolutely nothing to throw back at him, like Algieri and Bundo, and it's still taken him rounds and multiple combinations of clean shots to really hurt them.

So Spence is good, but he is not prime Shane Mosley, or Michael Moorer. I think he's basically on the Thurman and Brook level, but because he's black, American, a southpaw, and promoted by Floyd, and he's younger than those guys, he has been cherry picked to hype up and project as The Next One. But he hasn't actually fought anyone and he's a little over-hyped right now as the Mosley and Moorer comparisons show.

But the good news is, IF he actually beats both Brook and the Thurman-Garcia winner in quick succession by the end of 2017, and then beats a top guy at 154 in 2018, America will have another pay-per-view star I think. That's how Pacquiao made his name by beating top guy after top guy. Not just beating one, then saying one win makes you the best ever, and resting on your laurels for a few years before taking one more top guy on. No you have to build the momentum and amaze people. "He just beat that guy, but now he's already beating this guy, and this guy who is even bigger than him, and I didn't think he could do it but it's getting ridiculous now he just keeps beating one top name after the next and I didn't even think this was possible!" That's the kind of stuff that will make people talk and hype a guy to the PPV crown. And I do think Spence could be that guy IF he's actually willing to fight all these guys quickly and if he can beat them.

But that's the thing, people are acting like it's set in stone that Spence is better than these guys. I'm not as sure which is why the whole point of this sport is to SEE it. So please let's see Spence-Crawford, Spence-Thurman, and Spence-Brook next year! Or Thurman-Crawford, Spence-Brook, and winners meet.

Hell, that's actually a really amazing idea.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??? THURMAN VS. CRAWFORD AND SPENCE VS. BROOK NEXT YEAR, THEN WINNERS FIGHT IN 2018. GOOD IDEA OR NO???

GGG has a diverse range of fans all over the world supporting him White, Black, Asian and so on the people saying its only white people are racist idiots who think boxing is still in the 60's where you only root for fighters the same colour or nationality as you.

We're all fans of the sport we're entitled to say whatever we want as ridiculous as it may sound for some I think both Spence and GGG both exceptionally talented fighters I think Spence can go on to do what GGG is doing by being a dominant champion the fact Spence isn't a boring no-action type of fighter only boosts his oppertunities I think he is better than Crawford and I think GGG is better than Ward neither are ridiculous things to say for me.

Willing to bet my left nut that making the Brook Vs Spence fight and Thurman/Garcia Vs. Spence fight in the same year is something that is impossible to do.

The eye test can make you think whatever you want to think, I think Spence beats everyone at 147, I think he would beat a prime Shane Mosley as do I think GGG would beat a prime Marvin Hagler what's more annoying is to me is people acting like you're not allowed to have an opinion that goes against theirs.

[aboutfkntime]

Eye test can give hints perhaps you don't know but there is side effects from using steroids
Gut sticking out (something that can't be avoided from steroid usage) - Joshua... Has that
Acne - Neither Joshua or Povetkin has that
Getting bigger thicker muscles at an alarming rate - Joshua checks out for that as well

There is a reason why the bodybuilding community/forums are talking about Joshua, he is highly suspected of using them and this is from people are using steroids themselves.

nah, that's all bullshht

all of those symptoms exist, and can be caused, by a number of other things

dude, you have no experience whatsoever...... this is the exact kind of rubbish that bread was referring to..... you simply wouldn't have a clue

you are a couch-expert who is willing to hang someone on the basis that they failed a dodgy uneducated " eye-test "

don't believe everything you read on the internet..... some folks talk out of their ass when they wouldn't have a clue

[aboutfkntime]

His comments were fair and unbiased and here you come along with your pathetic trolling, reported.

Why even bother replying to any comment that is that solid If you've got nothing decent to say I mean you've took no point and prove it wrong?

fk off

there is nothing unbiased or logical about that clown

[M Bison]

nah, that's all bullshht

all of those symptoms exist, and can be caused, by a number of other things

dude, you have no experience whatsoever...... this is the exact kind of rubbish that bread was referring to..... you simply wouldn't have a clue

you are a couch-expert who is willing to hang someone on the basis that they failed a dodgy uneducated " eye-test "

don't believe everything you read on the internet..... some folks talk out of their ass when they wouldn't have a clue

Once again you're insinuating me saying the gains and what AJ has done with his body in the past 3 years as him definitely being on steroids, learn to read.
It is most definitely su****ious and its a red flag something about AJ isn't quite right anyone who actually works out naturally will tell you this, there is realistic goals and not so realistic goals.

Brought it up before that he once was pedaling drugs in his younger years but you don't have to sell weed and workout in gyms to be capable of getting steroids anyone can get them quite easily its just obvious with him being a seller of the stuff he obviously knows people who likely would sell stuff of that nature.

He's a boxer not a bodybuilder, the boxing training regime to go along with promoting lean muscle mass gains from several weigh training sessions in a week it doesn't add up, overtraining exists and I'm repeating myself, overtraining is a thing natural people have to worry about.

[HandsofIron]

Agree with Bread, Tito-Floyd is 50/50.

Comparing Corrales, a gatekeeper, to an ATG legend in Trinidad is disrespectful to say the least. And the losses Trinidad incurred happened when he moved up passed his natural weight, in short, Trinidad wasn't a legitimate middleweight.

[aboutfkntime]

Once again you're insinuating me saying the gains and what AJ has done with his body in the past 3 years as him definitely being on steroids, learn to read.
It is most definitely su****ious and its a red flag something about AJ isn't quite right anyone who actually works out naturally will tell you this, there is realistic goals and not so realistic goals.

Brought it up before that he once was pedaling drugs in his younger years but you don't have to sell weed and workout in gyms to be capable of getting steroids anyone can get them quite easily its just obvious with him being a seller of the stuff he obviously knows people who likely would sell stuff of that nature.

He's a boxer not a bodybuilder, the boxing training regime to go along with promoting lean muscle mass gains from several weigh training sessions in a week it doesn't add up, overtraining exists and I'm repeating myself, overtraining is a thing natural people have to worry about.

the fact you even mentioned that proves my point

that is a terribly weak inference, you are scraping together "evidence" no matter how circumstantial/weak/irrelevant

also, he has looked like that for more than a decade, and is a dedicated gym-rat

there are only 2 issues in my book

1) has he refused USADA/VADA testing ?

2) does he pass USADA/VADA testing, when implemented ?

it NEVER once occurred to you to consider why Pac was a 1200+ punch fighter when he was refusing testing, but then suddenly became a normal 500-600 punch fighter when he finally agreed..... did it?

the main problem with you couch-experts is that you guys see whatever you want to see, regardless

I don't think I should ever accept steroid advice from a pacfan

and btw, Pac also pedalled drugs in his younger years

[aboutfkntime]

Agree with Bread, Tito-Floyd is 50/50.

Comparing Corrales, a gatekeeper, to an ATG legend in Trinidad is disrespectful to say the least. And the losses Trinidad incurred happened when he moved up passed his natural weight, in short, Trinidad wasn't a legitimate middleweight.

Corrales was a killer immediately before they fought.

[Boxing Logic]

GGG has a diverse range of fans all over the world supporting him White, Black, Asian and so on the people saying its only white people are racist idiots who think boxing is still in the 60's where you only root for fighters the same colour or nationality as you.

We're all fans of the sport we're entitled to say whatever we want as ridiculous as it may sound for some I think both Spence and GGG both exceptionally talented fighters I think Spence can go on to do what GGG is doing by being a dominant champion the fact Spence isn't a boring no-action type of fighter only boosts his oppertunities I think he is better than Crawford and I think GGG is better than Ward neither are ridiculous things to say for me.

Willing to bet my left nut that making the Brook Vs Spence fight and Thurman/Garcia Vs. Spence fight in the same year is something that is impossible to do.

The eye test can make you think whatever you want to think, I think Spence beats everyone at 147, I think he would beat a prime Shane Mosley as do I think GGG would beat a prime Marvin Hagler what's more annoying is to me is people acting like you're not allowed to have an opinion that goes against theirs.

Why would two fights in a year be too much? That's just one every 6 months.

[M Bison]

Why would two fights in a year be too much? That's just one every 6 months.

Because making two big fights back to back or in the same year is near impossible, boxing doesn't work like we want it to.