Comments Thread For: Arum: I Never Discusssed Money for Pacquiao Fight with Crawford

[Bjl12]

Because it is. You just done want to admit it. GGG beat a broom who went up to fight him. Crawford beat up a blown up Gamboa but brook is a better fighter than Gamboa. Yet, you jave people saying Crawford > GGG

Crawford is > GGG

Crawford has fought real.opponents and obliterated them. GGG's opposition is so bad that WW/JMW Cotto could dominate Geale just as easily as the unstoppable wrecking force GGG did. To make matters worse GGG won't concede 1lb against bigger or smaller fighters despite calling them out and even dragging an average WW (an AVERAGE WW) up 13 pounds. Yet he thinks he holds any cards in any negotiation? The dude is a PPV flunk with under 100k against Lemieux and his opponents are part-time cab drivers.

On the other hand Crawford has moved up in weight and continues to DOMINATE top fighters (Gamboa, Postol, etc.) and he calls out bigger fighters with a willingness to move UP in weight.

See the difference? Crawford is unquestionably a better fighter than GGG today for like 10 different reasons, but resume is the clearest and strongest. You're just too caught up talking about whites and blacks to realize it

[mbase1235]

Because it is. You just done want to admit it. GGG beat a broom who went up to fight him. Crawford beat up a blown up Gamboa but brook is a better fighter than Gamboa. Yet, you jave people saying Crawford > GGG

It's not a race issue for many fans, and I'm including people on YouTube like Dwyer, BoxingEgo, etc. Sure, there are some racists among every fighter's supporters, but most serious fans just want to see good fights.

Pac and GGG are both really good fighters, people just want to see them in competitive fights. Pac-Vargas, Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns are not competitive fights, and everyone knows it. These fights are a waste of time for the fans and only serve to line Pac and Arum's pockets with money. I really don't understand fans who want to defend these fights. These fans act like they are the ones getting paid.

But at least Pac has taken on good challenges in the past. We also want to see GGG in competitive fights, and that has yet to happen, and Golovkin is close to 35 years old. Jacobs is a step in the right direction (better than GGG's past fights) but I still think GGG wins against Danny. GGG will probably be in competitive fights when he moves up in weight, the same as all the other good champions have done, or at least accepts the fighters who have called him out (Lara, Ward, etc.).

It's not really about who we believe are the better fighters, it's about them showing who is better in the ring against peers who are on or near their same skill level. This goes for GGG, Spence, Brook, whoever. These fighters should not be called the greatest until they have proved it in the ring.

What's happening with GGG is similar to what happened with Ronda Rousey, in terms of hype. And no, I'm not saying GGG is on Rousey's level, that ridiculous (and Ronda's hype was also way over the top). But the way writers and fans are saying that GGG is as good or better than SRR, Hagler, Carlos Monzón, etc., without Gennady having fought any competitive matches is similar to sports writers calling Rousey the greatest female combat fighter ever, able to beat Floyd and other men in the ring, etc. At this point it is premature to put Gennady on that level.

Crawford's resume, with 30 fights and moving up in weight, is already better than GGG's resume, who has had 36 fights all at Middleweight, and Crawford is only 29 years old.

But to get back to the thread, the proposed Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns fights are just ridiculous and a complete waste of time, particularly for a fighter as great as Pac.

[Sheldon312]

Show me where Postol has been KO'd by the likes of Marco Antonio Rubio. And outpointed by the likes of a washed up Joachim Alcine. I'll wait.

You dumb ass. Limeux is a better boxer than Postol. I don't see how anyone can deny yhis. Who the **** did Postol beat? A war torn ****ing Matthyse. Postol was never elite quit propping these opponents up like they're something special.

[Bjl12]

It's not a race issue for many fans, and I'm including people on YouTube like Dwyer, BoxingEgo, etc. Sure, there are some racists among every fighter's supporters, but most serious fans just want to see good fights.

Pac and GGG are both really good fighters, people just want to see them in competitive fights. Pac-Vargas, Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns are not competitive fights, and everyone knows it. These fights are a waste of time for the fans and only serve to line Pac and Arum's pockets with money. I really don't understand fans who want to defend these fights. These fans act like they are the ones getting paid.

But at least Pac has taken on good challenges in the past. We also want to see GGG in competitive fights, and that has yet to happen, and Golovkin is close to 35 years old. Jacobs is a step in the right direction (better than GGG's past fights) but I still think GGG wins against Danny. GGG will probably be in competitive fights when he moves up in weight, the same as all the other good champions have done, or at least accepts the fighters who have called him out (Lara, Ward, etc.).

It's not really about who we believe are the better fighters, it's about them showing who is better in the ring against peers who are on or near their same skill level. This goes for GGG, Spence, Brook, whoever. These fighters should not be called the greatest until they have proved it in the ring.

What's happening with GGG is similar to what happened with Ronda Rousey, in terms of hype. And no, I'm not saying GGG is on Rousey's level, that ridiculous (and Ronda's hype was also way over the top). But the way writers and fans are saying that GGG is as good or better than SRR, Hagler, Carlos Monzón, etc., without Gennady having fought any competitive matches is similar to sports writers calling Rousey the greatest female combat fighter ever, able to beat Floyd and other men in the ring, etc. At this point it is premature to put Gennady on that level.

Crawford's resume, with 30 fights and moving up in weight, is already better than GGG's resume, who has had 36 fights all at Middleweight, and Crawford is only 29 years old.

But to get back to the thread, the proposed Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns fights are just ridiculous and a complete waste of time, particularly for a fighter as great as Pac.

Perfectly put.

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[Sheldon312]

Crawford is > GGG

Crawford has fought real.opponents and obliterated them. GGG's opposition is so bad that WW/JMW Cotto could dominate Geale just as easily as the unstoppable wrecking force GGG did. To make matters worse GGG won't concede 1lb against bigger or smaller fighters despite calling them out and even dragging an average WW (an AVERAGE WW) up 13 pounds. Yet he thinks he holds any cards in any negotiation? The dude is a PPV flunk with under 100k against Lemieux and his opponents are part-time cab drivers.

On the other hand Crawford has moved up in weight and continues to DOMINATE top fighters (Gamboa, Postol, etc.) and he calls out bigger fighters with a willingness to move UP in weight.

See the difference? Crawford is unquestionably a better fighter than GGG today for like 10 different reasons, but resume is the clearest and strongest. You're just too caught up talking about whites and blacks to realize it

Crawford had height and reach advantage over Gamboa. And don't sot here and male it seem as if Postol was ever elite. Ok, let me as you a question, p4p who is better Gamboa vs Brook? Postol vs Limeux.

[Sheldon312]

It's not a race issue for many fans, and I'm including people on YouTube like Dwyer, BoxingEgo, etc. Sure, there are some racists among every fighter's supporters, but most serious fans just want to see good fights.

Pac and GGG are both really good fighters, people just want to see them in competitive fights. Pac-Vargas, Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns are not competitive fights, and everyone knows it. These fights are a waste of time for the fans and only serve to line Pac and Arum's pockets with money. I really don't understand fans who want to defend these fights. These fans act like they are the ones getting paid.

But at least Pac has taken on good challenges in the past. We also want to see GGG in competitive fights, and that has yet to happen, and Golovkin is close to 35 years old. Jacobs is a step in the right direction (better than GGG's past fights) but I still think GGG wins against Danny. GGG will probably be in competitive fights when he moves up in weight, the same as all the other good champions have done, or at least accepts the fighters who have called him out (Lara, Ward, etc.).

It's not really about who we believe are the better fighters, it's about them showing who is better in the ring against peers who are on or near their same skill level. This goes for GGG, Spence, Brook, whoever. These fighters should not be called the greatest until they have proved it in the ring.

What's happening with GGG is similar to what happened with Ronda Rousey, in terms of hype. And no, I'm not saying GGG is on Rousey's level, that ridiculous (and Ronda's hype was also way over the top). But the way writers and fans are saying that GGG is as good or better than SRR, Hagler, Carlos Monzón, etc., without Gennady having fought any competitive matches is similar to sports writers calling Rousey the greatest female combat fighter ever, able to beat Floyd and other men in the ring, etc. At this point it is premature to put Gennady on that level.

Crawford's resume, with 30 fights and moving up in weight, is already better than GGG's resume, who has had 36 fights all at Middleweight, and Crawford is only 29 years old.

But to get back to the thread, the proposed Pac-Horn or Pac-Burns fights are just ridiculous and a complete waste of time, particularly for a fighter as great as Pac.

Crawford hasnt prove he's great either and I still dont see how Gamboa and Postol are better than Limeux and Brook. You're just saying this because you lile Crawford's style. You dont care about being objective.

[hitking]

You dumb ass. Limeux is a better boxer than Postol. I don't see how anyone can deny yhis. Who the **** did Postol beat? A war torn ****ing Matthyse. Postol was never elite quit propping these opponents up like they're something special.

Exactly who the f.uck has Lemieux beaten? I'll answer it for you, NOBODY!!! Lemieux is gotdamn bum that's lost to C level competition. Meanwhile, before Postol wrecked him, Matthysse's only concrete loss is to Danny Garcia. And Postol has easily beaten a level of competition that Lemieux has lost to on more than one occassion. Lemieux is a glorified club fighter that ****** fanboy fix like yourself pump up in order to boost that joke of a resume GGG has.

[hitking]

Crawford hasnt prove he's great either and I still dont see how Gamboa and Postol are better than Limeux and Brook. You're just saying this because you lile Crawford's style. You dont care about being objective.

Gambia has much better pedigree than Brook. But I won't say he's a better fighter. But trying to say Lemieux is better than Postol makes you look like a clueless f.uck'n idiot.

[Sheldon312]

Exactly who the f.uck has Lemieux beaten? I'll answer it for you, NOBODY!!! Lemieux is gotdamn bum that's lost to C level competition. Meanwhile, before Postol wrecked him, Matthysse's only concrete loss is to Danny Garcia. And Postol has easily beaten a level of competition that Lemieux has lost to on more than one occassion. Lemieux is a glorified club fighter that ****** fanboy fix like yourself pump up in order to boost that joke of a resume GGG has.

Matthyse was worn torn when he met Postol and im far from a GGG fan boy I just dont see how you cam say Crawford has a better resume when he hasnt fought anyone close to elite at least brook is close to elite.

[Bjl12]

Ok, let me as you a question, p4p who is better Gamboa vs Brook? Postol vs Limeux.

That's not how it happened. GGG didn't fight the best P4P Brook...he fought Brook + 2 weight classes. That's the kind of courage GGG has. He needs 13 extra pounds to beat an AVERAGE WW.

So Gamboa + 2 weight classes v.s. a blown-up Brook...Gamboa ALL DAY.

I like Postol over Lemiuex personally.

Crawford is simply the more accomplished fighter to date. A Canelo and Ward fight would change that, but GGG is forgettable atm with ZERO noteworthy wins