floyd mayweather jr- what more could he have done?

[IronDanHamza]

The only true challenge he took was Corrales. Hatton had already looked like absolute garbage at 147, so to list him as a challenge, fighting him at 147 isn't really fair.

He had the chance to have quite a few great names on his resume in their primes or closer to them.

Cotto is a great example. He had a chance to fight Cotto before he fought Margarito.

Had a chance to fight Tszyu, there was an entire year where they were both champions. He made no attempts to unify.

He had a chance to fight both an undefeated Joel Casamayor, and an undefeated Acelino Freitas. There was an entire year where they were all champions at 130lb, and an Floyd did not attempt to unify, while Casamayor and Freitas did.

Then the big elephant in the room. He waited for pacquiao to not only lose, he waited for him to get knocked out to make that fight happen. Almost 6 years he waited on that fight.

Bull****.

Floyd wanted the Tszyu fight and that's documented.

He was in negotiations with Casamayor and they couldn't come to a deal.

So stop with the "he didn't try" bull****.

[IronDanHamza]

Nobody blamed him for not fighting prime Mosley or Oscar. Their primes at their respective weights did not match up. There was a small opportunity for a Mosley fight at the tail end of mosleys 135lb run, but he jumped up to 147 pretty early into Floyd having a title at 135lb.

Oscar was already at 147, so you can't blame him. Also, Oscar was the money man sooo....

But with Cotto, Pacquiao, Tsyzu, Casamayor, and Freitas you can blame him.

You can also blame him for sitting out 2 years when things really heated up in his division.

That wasn't on accident.

That retirement was so fake...

Ok you tell me why Mayweather is to blame for the Tszyu fight not happening.

[smoothsmg]

He beat a lot of guys when they were reigning champions and ranked at the top of the divison.

Slightly past their best yes but that's going to happen with every fighter.

When you beat them: Perfect examples of this are Ortiz, Guerrero and Maidana. All 3 came off fight of the year fights beating young rising stars.

[original zero]

PACs resume is better. Losing don't matter.

hahahah he lost THREE TIMES during that period, including to floyd! since when is losing better than winning?!?

[sunny31]

He beat a lot of guys when they were reigning champions and ranked at the top of the divison.

Slightly past their best yes but that's going to happen with every fighter.

It depends who you are measuring him against. If it is the other fighters of his era, then he stacks up fairly well, beat some guys past their best, but not too many guys he missed or didn't fight/beat. The misses for me are Paul Williams and Margarito. Those fights had a pretty decent sized window and are intriguing stylistic match ups. But I don't lose too much sleep over them either.

The problem I have with Floyd is when people measure him against the best guys of all time, and then coming out with statements like your last sentence.

When you are reviewing a michelin star restaurant the critique is relative, and Floyd didn't fight any of the other best fighters of his era at THEIR best. He should have fought Cotto when he was undefeated, and he should have fought Pac in 2009. He could have fought Canelo at 154, I don't think it would have changed the result, and I'm not saying he is to blame in all those cases, it just IS.

For me personally his best win is probably still Oscar. A very good win, but there is no denying Oscar was over the hill and semi-retired at the time he beat him, and that win encapsulates Floyd's career.

I find his career a bit frustrating. He had GOAT potential, but he was content to get the fights at the right time, at the right weights, and in the end what made him so astute outside the ring, is what ultimately hurts his legacy.

[djtmal]

He beat a lot of guys when they were reigning champions and ranked at the top of the divison.

Slightly past their best yes but that's going to happen with every fighter.

Slightly past their best....

See if you allow the excuse machine to spin it they will...

Floyd beating slightly past their best anybody taints the legacy...or at the least the guys he would be most closely associated with

c'mon man he's got some names on there that he beat that we can say they were at their peak...corrales, manfredy, hatton was undefeated that was his best win...I can't say Canelo was peak but he was undefeated so I'll throw Canelo in there...

cotto, shane, pac, oscar...already been raked through the coals before Floyd fought them...

[IronDanHamza]

Slightly past their best....

See if you allow the excuse machine to spin it they will...

Floyd beating slightly past their best anybody taints the legacy...or at the least the guys he would be most closely associated with

c'mon man he's got some names on there that he beat that we can say they were at their peak...corrales, manfredy, hatton was undefeated that was his best win...I can't say Canelo was peak but he was undefeated so I'll throw Canelo in there...

cotto, shane, pac, oscar...already been raked through the coals before Floyd fought them...

Ok I get it but that's what I said, all of the fighters listed outside of Oscar were ranked #1 in the divison. Oscar was still top 5.

That's going to happen.

Hagler gets credit for beating Hearns, Duran and Leonard right (if you scored it for Hagler)

They'd been "through the coals" but they were still top fighters.

All of the guys Floyd fought who are called "past their best" we're still top fighters.

Take Pacquaio for example he wasn't at his peak and had lost and been knocked out but he was still the #2 P4P in the world so it's not all that bad I don't think.

List any ATG and you can say the same for some of their opponents.

[djtmal]

Ok I get it but that's what I said, all of the fighters listed outside of Oscar were ranked #1 in the divison. Oscar was still top 5.

That's going to happen.

Hagler gets credit for beating Hearns, Duran and Leonard right (if you scored it for Hagler)

They'd been "through the coals" but they were still top fighters.

All of the guys Floyd fought who are called "past their best" we're still top fighters.

Take Pacquaio for example he wasn't at his peak and had lost and been knocked out but he was still the #2 P4P in the world so it's not all that bad I don't think.

List any ATG and you can say the same for some of their opponents.

Sugar Ray, Hearns, and Duran raked through the coals before they fought Hagler?

Sugar Ray, outside of the detached retina, was still a peak fighter who had never been stopped, before he fought Hagler, and even though he boxed Hagler mostly, still had plenty of beast mode in him in the 9th round and in spots during that fight...

Hearns, yeah he was tko'd by Sugar Ray, but was still in full beast mode when he fought Hagler, and he fought like it...

Same thing with Duran, never had been stopped or even beat badly before Hagler, and was in full beast mode for that fight

not to mention Mugabi, who was undefeated, and was in full beast mode...

3 atg's in beast mode when it comes to Hagler, and he goes 2 wins, 1 loss, and thats why he gets full credit...


....come on man, the closest dude to hearns, srl and duran is pacquaio, and it definitely wasn't the beast mode version

now if floyd, would have caught the guys in his era: manny, cotto, margarito, shane, etc. the way he caught alvarez, guerrero, ortiz, maidana, hatton, then you got something that eclipses srl, hagler, duran, whitaker, ali, jones imo...

[IronDanHamza]

Sugar Ray, Hearns, and Duran raked through the coals before they fought Hagler?

Sugar Ray, outside of the detached retina, was still a peak fighter who had never been stopped, before he fought Hagler, and even though he boxed Hagler mostly, still had plenty of beast mode in him in the 9th round and in spots during that fight...

Hearns, yeah he was tko'd by Sugar Ray, but was still in full beast mode when he fought Hagler, and he fought like it...

Same thing with Duran, never had been stopped or even beat badly before Hagler, and was in full beast mode for that fight

not to mention Mugabi, who was undefeated, and was in full beast mode...

3 atg's in beast mode when it comes to Hagler, and he goes 2 wins, 1 loss, and thats why he gets full credit...


....come on man, the closest dude to hearns, srl and duran is pacquaio, and it definitely wasn't the beast mode version

now if floyd, would have caught the guys in his era: manny, cotto, margarito, shane, etc. the way he caught alvarez, guerrero, ortiz, maidana, hatton, then you got something that eclipses srl, hagler, duran, whitaker, ali, jones imo...

Well yeah, they had "gone through the coals" if we are going by the same standard.

Mosley hadn't been stopped, had a close fight with a prime Cotto (no shame in that) and battered Margarito and was #1 WW and #3 P4P in the world. What's the difference between that and Hagler beating Duran?

Well, what are you defining as "beast mode" because if Duran was in "beast mode" when he fought Hagler then Pacquaio was definitely in "beast mode" in 2015 and still in beast mode today.

The fact of the matter is Leonard and Duran were no where near prime at that point and the closet to his prime was Hearns but wasn't at his optimal weight. Isn't that the exact same logic you're using to discredit Floyd's opponents?

This isn't a Hagler-Mayweather comparison I'm merely using the same logic for another fighter. Those fighters weren't at their peak when Hagler beat them. But, they were still top fighters though. That's my point. Mayweather beat some fighters who weren't at their peak but every one of them was still a top fighter and everyone of them was ranked #1 in the division except for Oscar.

[Beercules]

Not knocking him but he should have fought PAC earlier. It's all good, Floyd is a special fighter and so is PAC