floyd mayweather jr- what more could he have done?

[MurkaMan]

Facts

Yea, FACTS. I dont care about the little laughing emojis you type.

These are outdated fighters, and its almost not fair to compare them to ATG's of the future. They wouldnt win any fantasy matchups, nor have they been able to acquire the legacy of them!

Go away fam!

[LetOutTheCage]

Yea, FACTS. I dont care about the little laughing emojis you type.

These are outdated fighters, and its almost not fair to compare them to ATG's of the future. They wouldnt win any fantasy matchups, nor have they been able to acquire the legacy of them!

Go away fam!

[djtmal]

Prime Margo fight didnt happen due to Arum, Floyd wanted a guaranteed shot at Oscar and Arum said it wasnt in the cards

Prime Mosley did not give Floyd a shot and Floyd had been calling him out since Floyd was at 135..it is well documented

Prime Pac refused drug testing and the fight was scapped in 2010..also well documented

Cotto was at the Gatti fight and hi team said he was not ready for Floyd..after that Cotto himself said he never chased a Floyd fight

Williams-when was that fight even possible to be honest??

why is Floyd always blamed for fights not happening even when he clearly was chasing certain fights? and then people act like when he fought those fighters he himself did not age and was even older then Pac and Cotto...They were all champions when he fought them and most were even on top of the p4p list

Floyd is a beast, nobody is denying that, but Floyd don't get style points for not beating fighters who imo weren't at the peak of their powers...

above that, and this is what kills me, why you Floyd cats can't live with the knocks on him that are pretty universal, and get so damn touchy and regurgitate the same lame excuses for why certain things didn't happen at certain timelimes in his career...I and a lot of people who share my way of dissecting boxing legacy, don't care much about how many fringe champs he beat or who is p4p, especially in this watered down era, but who he beat and when...even Floyd publicly said a belt don't make him, that means he knows what really matters, yet you sensitive cats love to hang onto how many belts he collected...pay attention to whats going on in the sport right now and what constitutes who is where in the grand scheme of lineage, hierarchy, and legacy....

when srl beat hearns, both of those guys where at their peak of their powers and can't nobody say s**t about it, same thing with roy and james toney/hopkins, Trinidad and De La/Vargas, Hopkins and Tito/Tarver, Whitaker vs. McGhirt/Chavez/Roger Mayweather, hell even Chavez vs. prime Meldrick Taylor...all of these fights went down at the timeline they were supposed to, with NO EXCUSES....no Olympic style testing and two numbnuts arguing over whose to blame for 9 f**king years like in this day and age of boxing...

Pretty Boy Floyd, yeah he was a f**king beast and its was all there for him to surpass srl, marv, roy, etc. but man after Floyd beat Hatton, he could have lined up Cotto, Marg, Shane, Pac, when all of those guys were still in beast mode, but what he do?...he stepped off the scene for what, two years and let everybody he should have fought closer to their primes duke it out...that was a decision FLOYD made as he likes to say he's his own boss, but you dudes want to blame everybody but him, but legacy wise it imo put him levels below the fab four and a few others, and in a position where we wonder what if, or what more as the basis of this thread is about, and it seems like the consensus amongst the unbiased is consistant...just deal with it and stop making excuses....

[Larry the boss]

Floyd is a beast, nobody is denying that, but Floyd don't get style points for not beating fighters who imo weren't at the peak of their powers...

above that, and this is what kills me, why you Floyd cats can't live with the knocks on him that are pretty universal, and get so damn touchy and regurgitate the same lame excuses for why certain things didn't happen at certain timelimes in his career...I and a lot of people who share my way of dissecting boxing legacy, don't care much about how many fringe champs he beat or who is p4p, especially in this watered down era, but who he beat and when...even Floyd publicly said a belt don't make him, that means he knows what really matters, yet you sensitive cats love to hang onto how many belts he collected...pay attention to whats going on in the sport right now and what constitutes who is where in the grand scheme of lineage, hierarchy, and legacy....

when srl beat hearns, both of those guys where at their peak of their powers and can't nobody say s**t about it, same thing with roy and james toney/hopkins, Trinidad and De La/Vargas, Hopkins and Tito/Tarver, Whitaker vs. McGhirt/Chavez/Roger Mayweather, hell even Chavez vs. prime Meldrick Taylor...all of these fights went down at the timeline they were supposed to, with NO EXCUSES....no Olympic style testing and two numbnuts arguing over whose to blame for 9 f**king years like in this day and age of boxing...

Pretty Boy Floyd, yeah he was a f**king beast and its was all there for him to surpass srl, marv, roy, etc. but man after Floyd beat Hatton, he could have lined up Cotto, Marg, Shane, Pac, when all of those guys were still in beast mode, but what he do?...he stepped off the scene for what, two years and let everybody he should have fought closer to their primes duke it out...that was a decision FLOYD made as he likes to say he's his own boss, but you dudes want to blame everybody but him, but legacy wise it imo put him levels below the fab four and a few others, and in a position where we wonder what if, or what more as the basis of this thread is about, and it seems like the consensus amongst the unbiased is consistant...just deal with it and stop making excuses....

He beat Hatton in 2007....at that time mosley had just lost to Cotto,Margarito had just lost to Paul Williams,Manny was a damn super featherweight...so what are you talking about?

[djtmal]

He beat Hatton in 2007....at that time mosley had just lost to Cotto,Margarito had just lost to Paul Williams,Manny was a damn super featherweight...so what are you talking about?

lol....

so he fights the absolute beast version of Margarito for the 8 million offer instead of Baldomir for lineage that means nothing in this day and age, and before the excuse of Margarito losing to Williams pops up...that fight was on the table was it or was it not?

then beat the winner of cotto/mosley, he fights and beats the winner of Williams/Margarito, which was Williams, and he makes the fight with Manny in 2009-10 instead of let Manny walk over drug testing (i.e. excuse), and you have the makings of an all-time great on the level of srl and ali...throw in his Oscar win, mosley immediately after he ko'd vargas would have been very legit...the extremely solid wins he got with marquez, Corrales, Castillo 2X, maidana 2X and the young bull alvarez late in his career

take off the rose colored glasses for a minute and think about that.... he would be the f**ing undisputed goat and you'd be hard pressed to dispute that...

you Floyd boys be so quick to defend that you can't see s**t>>>all of you can't be that dense

this is a "what if" thread...not a well if arum and Floyd was cool, or if Manny had just took the test thread...

[The Big Dunn]

lol....

so he fights the absolute beast version of Margarito for the 8 million offer instead of Baldomir for lineage that means nothing in this day and age, and before the excuse of Margarito losing to Williams pops up...that fight was on the table was it or was it not?

then beat the winner of cotto/mosley, he fights and beats the winner of Williams/Margarito, which was Williams, and he makes the fight with Manny in 2009-10 instead of let Manny walk over drug testing (i.e. excuse), and you have the makings of an all-time great on the level of srl and ali...throw in his Oscar win, mosley immediately after he ko'd vargas would have been very legit...the extremely solid wins he got with marquez, Corrales, Castillo 2X, maidana 2X and the young bull alvarez late in his career

take off the rose colored glasses for a minute and think about that.... he would be the f**ing undisputed goat and you'd be hard pressed to dispute that...

you Floyd boys be so quick to defend that you can't see s**t>>>all of you can't be that dense

this is a "what if" thread...not a well if arum and Floyd was cool, or if Manny had just took the test thread...

People like you that hold it against floyd that Manny, Hamed, Shane, Cotto, ODH and Kosta all wouldn't or waited to fight him would find some other way to denigrate his resume had he fought and defeated these men in the time frame you posted.

[djtmal]

People like you that hold it against floyd that Manny, Hamed, Shane, Cotto, ODH and Kosta all wouldn't or waited to fight him would find some other way to denigrate his resume had he fought and defeated these men in the time frame you posted.

denigrate his resume...lol

I wonder what would have been, had hagler not gave up those early rounds to srl, fighting orthodox instead of southpaw, but that's how the cookie crumbles unfortunately...

when you are talking about lineage, legacy, and atg hierarchy, especially in boxing, who you beat and when you beat them trumps all...it could be Floyd it could be anybody, the topic here is Floyd...

[The Big Dunn]

denigrate his resume...lol

I wonder what would have been, had hagler not gave up those early rounds to srl, fighting orthodox instead of southpaw, but that's how the cookie crumbles unfortunately...

when you are talking about lineage, legacy, and atg hierarchy, especially in boxing, who you beat and when you beat them trumps all...it could be Floyd it could be anybody, the topic here is Floyd...

I agree with you about legacy. My point still stands. Its not something I haven't pointed out before.

The men Floyd didn't fight get wildly over rated here on NSB. Posters view them only through their best performance, never their whole career. Margs and Pwill are good examples.

Good fighters, absolutely. Both possess attributes that on paper could trouble a smaller opponent like Floyd. However when the fight is discussed, their shortcomings-Margs lack of speed, Pwill fighting "smaller" than his height-are never factored into the equation.

It's like if they fought Floyd they'd only perform at an A+ level.

[Beercules]

Give me 50$

[djtmal]

I agree with you about legacy. My point still stands. Its not something I haven't pointed out before.

The men Floyd didn't fight get wildly over rated here on NSB. Posters view them only through their best performance, never their whole career. Margs and Pwill are good examples.

Good fighters, absolutely. Both possess attributes that on paper could trouble a smaller opponent like Floyd. However when the fight is discussed, their shortcomings-Margs lack of speed, Pwill fighting "smaller" than his height-are never factored into the equation.

It's like if they fought Floyd they'd only perform at an A+ level.

Paul Williams was a name that was mentioned immediately after Hatton, he was a long-rangy boxer who could actually box with a jab, and had reach on Floyd, somebody we don't see Floyd fight much. No fight was on the table, but he stirred up enough interest because stylistically he was all wrong.

But a fight with Mayweather and a prime invincible looking Margarito was on the table and did not go thru at the proper timeline, he beat Baldomir in a forgettable affair, held out for Oscar and got it, gained from that, but you gain, you lose, and he lost some from a legacy standpoint by fighting Baldomir, and missing Margarito, and personally I think he could have carved up Margarito something awful, but we beat that to death....

If you look at each situation and fighter from an individual standpoint yeah, I am quite sure you, especially you, can spin doctor damage control Floyd from looking like the bad guy concerning all of those fights that didn't happen at the natural timeline, or these guys can easily be dismissed as boogeymen in the grand scheme of things, but collectively that's a lot of excuses, and its pretty obvious the consistency in the general consensus on the thread topic has been established...