hatton well packaged money making machine

[Soda_Popinski]

he may have been groomed into a money making machine, but does anyone else see the problem with a guy getting to a 40+ wins with no losses record and not being proven? He was supposedly last year's fighter of the year, yet now everyone is saying he isnt proven. I'm not sure I understand this whole situation. I think Hatton is a good fighter, with some power, but not at 147. He will have some serious problems if he continues on at 147. Oscar would floor him, PBF will floor him, I think Judah would floor him. I think a good fight for Hatton at this point is Gatti. I would buy into that fight. I see their styles as similar and would love to see them stand in the center of the ring and slug it out till one (or both) of them drop.

If Hatton's handlers would like to keep him as a big money maker, then they should stay away from the mega fights for at least now. Maybe this was just a bad first impression, I'm not sure, but if this is how Hatton is going to look at 147 he should get out now and say "I won a title at 147" and be done with it.


Soda

[Floydko1]

can`t some of you guy`s see through the clever way ricky has been managed yes he is a good fighter but nowhere near great he has never fought a young hungry contender apart from collazo.
for eg eamon magee put him down and give him a tough fight and then goes and loses his next 2 fights. for a number of years ricky fights over the hill fighters who have lost there previous fights or are nealy 40 years old like vince, tackie, oliveira and co, he then is matched against tszyu who has boxed just 3 rounds in over 2 years and is 38 years old. full credit must be given to frank warren but also shows the gullerbility of a lot of fight fans, yes ricky is a good fighter but once he comes up against a genuine top fighter he will come unstuck.

I Agree with many parts off your fourm convo

But to say Tszyu was past it is rather poor, give hatton some credit for tht win.

Tszyu was P4P top 5 before this fight the number one man in the divison he had just destoryd mitchell in classic Kostya style he was in top shape 4 the hatton bout,
As many people i thought Tszyu would have blew hatton out the ring but i was wrong u gotta give him credit for tht

[Abe Attell]

u clearly will do any thing to defend a bum american fighter, that had a good nites fight?!!

Not sure who you are talking about, are you talking about Vince Phillips win over Tszyu? If so:

Vince was having problems with drug use before he fought Tszyu, this was messing up his career... he got himself together and was training with both Roy Jones and Emanuel Steward, not a bad choice to get you back on your feet... Vince Phillips was a good amatuer, a good pro, and was motivated...Kostya was going through some problems outside of the ring, not to mention Kostya has a big Ego and when he is winning he becomes to relaxed in his position; he thought he could battle outside problems while trying to fight on a high level, obviously it didn't work.

Did Kostya deserve to lose, yes, he made the outside and inside mistakes; he didn't come fully prepared and that is what happens.

So please be more specific what you are talking about so that I can answer your question

[Abe Attell]

I Agree with many parts off your fourm convo

But to say Tszyu was past it is rather poor, give hatton some credit for tht win.

Tszyu was P4P top 5 before this fight the number one man in the divison he had just destoryd mitchell in classic Kostya style he was in top shape 4 the hatton bout,
As many people i thought Tszyu would have blew hatton out the ring but i was wrong u gotta give him credit for tht

Listen, we see it time after time that athletes are over hyped way to fast...it seems that the media and the fans are so quick to appoint the new young prospect as "Great" because they want to believe they are looking at greatness in their life time.

Notice how few there were talking about what Hatton was talking about his advantages over Tszyu were...how come it wasn't brought up after the fight in the media that Hatton was saying all along that he had the age advantage, the activity advantage, and the home-court advantage; Even his promoter, Frank Warren said, "We fought Kostya Tszyu at the RIGHT TIME", "We were able to get him to fight in Manchester, and that gives us the advantage" {not sure of the exact words on that second quote, but close enough}

People have always ignored the facts because their minds are clouded with excitment.

Do you know both Emanuel and Sugar Ray Leonard said that Ricky Hatton would win the fight...they were the few that said he would win, yet I barely heard a word of this in the media.


Kostya Tszyu was still a good fighter and could of been "back" if he would of taking a tune-up fight where it lasted at least into the 8th round. Fighting a pressure fighter that has been going 12 rounds, while you barely have been fighting half a fight, and have been inactive, is a big mistake.

If Kostya was in "top shape" for the Hatton fight he wouldn't have struggled to make weight.

I don't blame Hatton as much as I blame Kostya Tszyu for making the mistakes he made in his career.
You would think that these fighters would learn from the past history of Fighters in their sport, but yet it doesn't seem that way.

Hatton still beat a good Kostya Tszyu, but not a motivated and active fighter, plus the circumstances helped.
I just wonder, even with Tszyu's lack of activity, age, etc., if this fight had a American ref, if it wouldn't have ended different; no grappling for 6 rounds to wear down Tszyu, might have been a big difference.

I just wish that this could of been a different fight: that if Hatton won, it would of been because he outboxed and wore down Tszyu, not the grappling action we saw.

[BURSAUCE]

I dont want to hate on Ricky and maybe it was just a bad first impresion but I was pumped to see him fight callazo especially with all the buzz surounding him (fighter of the year) and everything I read about him on these forums so I was dispointed with his performace.
I think he won the fight but just by the skin of his teeth without that early knockdown I would have given it to callazo. I wont try to take anything away from him about his win over Tsyzu but in my oppinion the jury is still out over Hatton big time. His next 2 or 3 fights will be the deciding factor and I hope he takes on some Big name opponents. His carrer so far has some big question marks and now is the time for him to clear them up. What is he waiting for? his fan base is big enough in England and Americas obiviously want to see him fight so I think its time for Ricky to step up.

[Left2body]

Well intersting post, but one thing I would like to add is that people even myself forget how resilient Hatton is. I mean the guy got pounded on in the 12 and still finished the round going forward , pressing the action and took control the last 30 seconds or so. I saw him appear stunned by a few punches a couple of times but decided then thought better of it decided that he wasn't hurt because he recopperated so quickly. That and Collazo's KO record had me doubting that Ricky was rocked a little until Ricky admitted that he was rocked a few times and not just in the 12 .

Just an interesting observation I thought I'd share after viewing the fight for the 3rd time. Damn, it was an exciting fight better than a lot of PPV's I've purchased recently. Wouldn't mind seeing it again.

[BURSAUCE]

By the way even if he loses a big name fight it doent mean he is done but at this rate he is going to lose to a fringe opponent and that would seriously hurt his carrer. Take the big fights ricky and as long as you put on a good show people will respect you

[shingle]

you obviously are a fan of ricky, so am i however most fans who know there boxing will see by your views that you are a bit biased. fact is he has not fought a top fighter in there prime all his oppenents are old and over the hill.

[baya]

all i want is, after ricky gets dropped in his next semi-big fight and loses, is for the british to stay on these boards. they're big time contributors and would be a detriment to bs.com if they decided to leave to go to some pansy across the pond forum.

[ophqui]

True, but all boxers who show an ounce of potential bcome 'well packaged money making machines,' if the right manager finds them. Are you saying that Mayweather is any different? or Cotto? there all the same, whats ur point?