If PBC had belts would you respect / acknowlege them over the Alpphabet titles?

[original zero]

and he's spreading like a virus. he already has 15-16 world champions and when you look through the rankings every month, you see him moving more and more young talent up the rankings and into mandatory positions.

combined with his alliance with matchroom, hearn & haymon control over 20 world title belts and climbing.

this is why haymon didn't spend big money to get ward, cotto, canelo, etc. it's much more beneficial long term to lock up the entire next generation on the cheap, guaranteeing that he'll control even more and more wba/wbc/ibf world titles. by the time his new generation blossoms, cotto will be gone. ward will possibly be gone. canelo will have been destroyed by ggg.

but haymon's army will be enormous. from 118-168 he'll have like 75% of the wba/ibf/wbc titles. it'll be ridiculous.

[Real King Kong]

It would be just another useless title

It would be even worse cuz it would be limited to pbc fighters only.

[aboutfkntime]

It would be even worse cuz it would be limited to pbc fighters only.

yep, PBC is clearly not definitive

what is the point in complaining about the current sanctioning organisations, because they are not definitive..... and then replacing them with something this is also, not definitive?

it could work, but hoping that the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, and HBO/etc, will all suddenly pack up and leave is a little naive..... they will go kicking and screaming, and fight to the death

not sure why fans would/should accept yet another flawed platform

as I said earlier, a conglomerate such as Haymon/Hoya/The Ring/Showtime, along with the 2 main commissions..... could possibly usurp the 4 official sanctioning organisations, but they could not co-exist with them..... they would have to run them out of town, by essentially buying the belts and burning them whilst contracting the current champions..... which would take a LOT of planning and a LOT of money

Haymon has the money, Hoya has the influence, The Ring has the platform, Showtime (CBS) has the medium, and NSAC/CSAC have the necessary weight to make all of that relevant.....

..... a few years back I thought it was possible, but not now

[original zero]

PBC will not flip the switch until they have a near monopoly on US boxing. HBO will continue to shrink every year. But they're not going to pull the plug on boxing immediately.

They are kicking and screaming. That's what all of this HBO orchestrated anti-PBC propaganda has been. A temper tantrum.

DLH has the influence? He has Canelo and nobody else and Canelo is going to get killed by GGG.

The Ring has the platform? They've never been more irrelevant. Hardly anybody stocks the ****zine anymore and now that it's just a propaganda vehicle and owned by a promoter, nobody takes it seriously outside of a few fans that didn't get the memo that it's owned by a promoter and completely biased now.

Showtime & CBS do have the medium and Haymon has more power there than ever. But the idea that they need DLH or Ring is laughable. DLH is finished once Canelo is done.

[LoadedWraps]

yep, PBC is clearly not definitive

what is the point in complaining about the current sanctioning organisations, because they are not definitive..... and then replacing them with something this is also, not definitive?

it could work, but hoping that the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, and HBO/etc, will all suddenly pack up and leave is a little naive..... they will go kicking and screaming, and fight to the death

not sure why fans would/should accept yet another flawed platform

as I said earlier, a conglomerate such as Haymon/Hoya/The Ring/Showtime, along with the 2 main commissions..... could possibly usurp the 4 official sanctioning organisations, but they could not co-exist with them..... they would have to run them out of town, by essentially buying the belts and burning them whilst contracting the current champions..... which would take a LOT of planning and a LOT of money

Haymon has the money, Hoya has the influence, The Ring has the platform, Showtime (CBS) has the medium, and NSAC/CSAC have the necessary weight to make all of that relevant.....

..... a few years back I thought it was possible, but not now

Like it was explained in here already, Showtime's slots are all taken by Haymon into 2017 and maybe beyond.

It's a matter of "starving out" Top Rank and Golden Boy by hording the younger talent, housing the champions, and forcing them out of business. It's basically a siege, in business, which will result in a PBC monopoloy on the sport, at the very least in the USA, which if it all works, out, will be huge.

[The Gambler1981]

UFC is a fractional belt because not everyone competes there, but people know who is fighting for those belts and how it all works.

PBC would be more fractional than UFC (even after a long wait to strangle most competition) but it would at least give people an idea of what is going on and would see how the rankings worked to see what was at stake in any given fight. Not like they are now where Joe Blow from South Africa that no one has heard of or seen fight mysteriously moves from 9 which no one knew why he was that high in the first place to number 2 and is getting a mandatory shot at a belt.

I would take literally anything over that. It will take time and effort but the alphabet concepts has been proven broken for a quarter century at least, so time to move in a different direction.

[The Gambler1981]

PBC will not flip the switch until they have a near monopoly on US boxing. HBO will continue to shrink every year. But they're not going to pull the plug on boxing immediately.

They are kicking and screaming. That's what all of this HBO orchestrated anti-PBC propaganda has been. A temper tantrum.

DLH has the influence? He has Canelo and nobody else and Canelo is going to get killed by GGG.

The Ring has the platform? They've never been more irrelevant. Hardly anybody stocks the ****zine anymore and now that it's just a propaganda vehicle and owned by a promoter, nobody takes it seriously outside of a few fans that didn't get the memo that it's owned by a promoter and completely biased now.

Showtime & CBS do have the medium and Haymon has more power there than ever. But the idea that they need DLH or Ring is laughable. DLH is finished once Canelo is done.

Oscar did that to himself he could have been on the winning side and been involved in the sport going forward. He made a very poor and short sighted choice in how to handle the Haymon situation with GBP.

[original zero]

Gambler -

Great point. UFC is a fractional championship, just as the NBA, NFL or anything else is. But if you prove yourself as the #1 league in the world, your championship will mean the most.

Can PBC reach the point where they are the #1 league? Yes, I think they can. Fans don't think of the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO as being leagues, but they essentially are. They decide who fights who and most of the fights in boxing are made based on trying to move up the rankings of one of those leagues.

But once PBC has the majority of the world class talent, if their fighters are pulled completely from the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO and fight only for PBC rankings and PBC championships, the PBC belt would be considered the #1 belt in the sport.

[aboutfkntime]

Like it was explained in here already, Showtime's slots are all taken by Haymon into 2017 and maybe beyond.

It's a matter of "starving out" Top Rank and Golden Boy by hording the younger talent, housing the champions, and forcing them out of business. It's basically a siege, in business, which will result in a PBC monopoloy on the sport, at the very least in the USA, which if it all works, out, will be huge.

I just don't think that would work.

you used the word " siege "

well, a siege can last for years, and can cripple both sides

a protracted siege should be avoided at all costs

no way would Top Rank/GBP/WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF, all sit there idly for YEARS while PBC slowly siphoned off the talent

such a decision could provoke Top Rank/Golden Boy to make a similar move..... and at the very least PBC would be guaranteed multiple lawsuits and YEARS of legal action.....

but the real problem is this.....

you are suggesting that PBC create yet another sanctioning body to co-exist with the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF..... gradually starving them out, along with TR/GBP

even is that was successful, and I can't see it..... it would take YEARS.... so, the very first impression that the public/insiders will have of PBC is that they are yet another NON-DEFINITIVE organisation to further muddy the pool..... the PBC will not have all of the champion's and they will not have all of the best fighters..... every time one of their guys takes a loss over those years, is yet another step backwards when it comes to gaining credibility

they cannot gain credibility within their new housing complex, by living with their unruly tenants, and manipulating/pleading with them to follow your rules..... you need to evict those fk's, clean house, and re-tenant

PBC would only get one shot at it...... by having a protracted siege and dragging this on (through the legal system, and through the media) for YEARS they leave themselves vulnerable to counter-action and legal-action..... and yet they will never be viewed as better than the status quo..... because they would be no different from the status quo..... just another "opinion"

[original zero]

well it's a good thing it doesn't matter what about time thinks.

and he apparently isn't aware there have already been multiple lawsuits and years of legal action.

but nobody is suggesting that PBC create another sanctioning body. what's being suggested is that they'll eventually eliminate the sanctioning bodies.

yes it will take years. which is why they needed a BILLION dollars. they are prepared.

PBC doesn't need to have *all* of the best fighters. they just need more than anybody else. which when you look at their young talent, it's very obvious that 3-5 years from now, they will have, BY FAR, more top fighters than anybody.