If PBC had belts would you respect / acknowlege them over the Alpphabet titles?

[original zero]

about time, is anybody paying you for your opinion? no. so since your information is consistently inaccurate, since you have no idea what you're talking about and since nobody is paying you for your opinion, it doesn't matter what you think. you've shown over and over an inability to grasp basic facts.

a PBC title would be different from an alphabelt because it would be exclusive to the PBC universe and the only title recognized in the PBC universe.

a casual fan would have fewer champions to keep track of when watching PBC and if HBO exits the business, PBC will be the only boxing that matters in the US. so instead of the US recognizing four world champions in each weight class, there will only be one.

which is what the public has demanded over and over.

you're right that a slow takeover will drag on for years and get really nasty. which is what's been happening. start paying attention.

[KeyboardWarrior]

Right now the US networks recognize FOUR WORLD CHAMPIONS in SEVENTEEN DIVISIONS.

If all of the US networks except for HBO suddenly recognized ONE WORLD CHAMPION in TWELVE DIVISIONS instead of 4 in 17, yes that would be a good thing.

As far as the best fighting the best, the #1 and #2 super middleweights in the world are headlining a PBC card 1/14 to unify the WBC & IBF world championships.

The #1 and #5 featherweights in the world are headlining a PBC card 1/28 for the super WBA world championship.

On 3/4, the undefeated WBA and undefeated WBC welterweight world champions are headlining a PBC card.


Seems you're just grumpy.

HBO isn't the problem, and PBC would be hypocritical to inject their own belts into Boxing.

[KeyboardWarrior]

about time, is anybody paying you for your opinion? no. so since your information is consistently inaccurate, since you have no idea what you're talking about and since nobody is paying you for your opinion, it doesn't matter what you think. you've shown over and over an inability to grasp basic facts.

a PBC title would be different from an alphabelt because it would be exclusive to the PBC universe and the only title recognized in the PBC universe.

a casual fan would have fewer champions to keep track of when watching PBC and if HBO exits the business, PBC will be the only boxing that matters in the US. so instead of the US recognizing four world champions in each weight class, there will only be one.

which is what the public has demanded over and over.

you're right that a slow takeover will drag on for years and get really nasty. which is what's been happening. start paying attention.

PBC universe? You are nothing but a PBC shill. I hope they are paying you to preach their view.

[LoadedWraps]

and again, the abc's allows more guys to make a living.

the pros of the abc's;
1. more champs = more money to be distributed.
2. more champs = more top 10s = possible touneys
3. champs possibly fighting other champs = excitement

the cons;
1. bs sanctioning fees.
2. possibly political bs.
3. too many champs = muddy waters.

It's not about more money to be distributed, it's about distributing it evenly. Fighters these days feel entitled to more money and the response to that shouldn't be to just give it to them. The top names earn too much, and the journeymen earn too little. And people need to stop pointing to Floyd as if that means there is some new standard, there isn't, he's an outlier and you never concern yourself with the outlier, you concern yourself with the 90%,

[aboutfkntime]

about time, is anybody paying you for your opinion? no. so since your information is consistently inaccurate, since you have no idea what you're talking about and since nobody is paying you for your opinion, it doesn't matter what you think. you've shown over and over an inability to grasp basic facts.

a PBC title would be different from an alphabelt because it would be exclusive to the PBC universe and the only title recognized in the PBC universe..

" PBC universe "







in what way does the "PBC universe" matter, you moron?

how is that any different from the WBA universe, etc, etc?

oh, btw..... there is no such thing as the PBC universe LMAO..... again, you completely made that shht up

PBC awarding titles would add NO VALUE WHATSOEVER to the boxing landscape..... simply because they could not possibly be definitive..... therefore further muddying already cloudy waters.

a casual fan would have fewer champions to keep track of when watching PBC and if HBO exits the business, PBC will be the only boxing that matters in the US. so instead of the US recognizing four world champions in each weight class, there will only be one.

which is what the public has demanded over and over.

you're right that a slow takeover will drag on for years and get really nasty. which is what's been happening. start paying attention.

then your earlier comment..... "a casual fan would have fewer champions to keep track of"..... is complete bullshht

because a casual fan would then have 5 champions "to keep track of"..... instead of 4..... which isn't exactly 1, now is it?

[aboutfkntime]

PBC universe? You are nothing but a PBC shill. I hope they are paying you to preach their view.

yea wtf ?

pic, or STFU

LMAO

[original zero]

Keyboard Warrior -

The problem is having multiple universes. When HBO was completely dominant, spending nearly $100 million a year on boxing, it wasn't as big of a problem because the general public could just follow HBO and Showtime was more of an after thought.

But now that HBO's budget has been slashed over and over to a crippling degree, and with Haymon having taken his enormous stable elsewhere, the best thing for the US boxing fans at this point is for HBO to get out of the business.

And with UFC now as a serious threat to boxing's future in the US, the time has come for boxing to finally have one clear cut premier league in the United States. PBC is our best chance of that happening.

Your posts are very strange because you say it would be hypocritical for PBC to have its own championships (like every major sports league does), but you don't explain why. I don't think you actually know what hypocritical means.

[aboutfkntime]

and again, the abc's allows more guys to make a living.

the pros of the abc's;
1. more champs = more money to be distributed.
2. more champs = more top 10s = possible touneys
3. champs possibly fighting other champs = excitement

the cons;
1. bs sanctioning fees.
2. possibly political bs.
3. too many champs = muddy waters.

I think that having multiple sanctioning bodies is the cause of most of the problems within boxing today.

Fair point about generating revenue, but I think that issue falls on the promoters..... and I also think the market would adjust and level out.

Take the UFC..... 1 champion, but fk all people make any money..... that has nothing to do with having only 1 champion, that is because they have a monopoly and do not split the money fairly with the fighters.....

fans would adapt to having only 1 champion, and they would view the boxing landscape differently..... genuine contenders will be more respected, just like they were back in the day

I don't believe that only title fights generate revenue, and I think the market would adjust if the promoters are fair.

[LoadedWraps]

PBC universe? You are nothing but a PBC shill. I hope they are paying you to preach their view.

" PBC universe "







in what way does the "PBC universe" matter, you moron?

how is that any different from the WBA universe, etc, etc?

Dude....

Why are you guys getting hung up on this?

It's been explained ad nausem here that it's a process.

First, answer me this: Do you understand the concept of monopolizing something? Do you understand what Haymon is trying to accomplish by allowing the existance of the belts until he has the lions share of elite and marketable fighters and leverage?

If you don't, then we really can't go further until you acknoweldge this concept. You don't have to agree or like Haymon or his goals, but at least acknowledge monopolization as a thing and acknowledge it can happen before we proceed.

If you do, then let's move on: Do you not understand that if Haymon succeeds, that PBC will be THE boxing "universe" in the USA, essentially like the UFC?

If you don't make that connection, then again, we can't move on because you need to grasp these two points to continue or we are just going in circles.




And there will never be "five titles", original zero already explained that the PBC belts wouldn't materialize until "check-mate" happens. "Check-mate" is when the above two points I just made, are in full effect and the power is in Haymons hands.

[aboutfkntime]

Keyboard Warrior -

The problem is having multiple universes. When HBO was completely dominant, spending nearly $100 million a year on boxing, it wasn't as big of a problem because the general public could just follow HBO and Showtime was more of an after thought.

But now that HBO's budget has been slashed over and over to a crippling degree, and with Haymon having taken his enormous stable elsewhere, the best thing for the US boxing fans at this point is for HBO to get out of the business.

And with UFC now as a serious threat to boxing's future in the US, the time has come for boxing to finally have one clear cut premier league in the United States. PBC is our best chance of that happening.

Your posts are very strange because you say it would be hypocritical for PBC to have its own championships (like every major sports league does), but you don't explain why. I don't think you actually know what hypocritical means.

you are (correctly) decrying the 4 official sanctioning vultures

and then, you want to add another one to the pile

and yet..... you still cannot give 1 good reason why PBC would/should be viewed any differently that any of the other NON-DEFINITIVE asshat's

keyword = NON-DEFINITIVE

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