Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr: If No Canelo Deal - Then I Want Gennady Golovkin!

[i'm a fun haver]

Damn. Can't wait to hear how Chavez Jr is a bum a week after hearing about how great of an opponent he is for Saul.

[Scipio2009]

Nice counter strategy for Team Chavez to take since GBP is likely lowballing Junior on the value he brings despite his talent level + dedication. Tommy L will give them 2 mill on top of any offer GBP is willing to give plus a handy J post fight probably.

Are they, though? If the offer truly is for $6m plus PPV upside (rumor has it that, were the PPV to be a massive success, Chavez Jr's take could get as high as $10m), what would the counter look like, in real dollars?

$10m gate at JerryLand (highest gate to date has been $7.5m), $30m on the PPV (assuming that Cotto-Alvarez gets matched), and the Mexican TV money (who knows what that's worth), likely ends up with the fighters splitting $30m-$35m, once the promoters are paid.

Is $10m to Chavez Jr, $25m to Alvarez really all that bad a deal?

People get all hung up on "we want a percentage of everything" and what not, but prize fighting is a business; Alvarez has been involved in enough big box office fights (while getting schooled in the business by some of the most business-savvy fighters in the sport's history) that he, as the sport's biggest star, is likely never going to give a share of his full event to anyone ever again (unless Floyd comes back).

Alvarez-ChavezJr isn't going to be Floyd-Manny, Floyd-Alvarez, or Oscar-Floyd; say what you want, but the fact that neither fighter is all that comfortable in English limits the attention that'll be paid to the fight by the American casual fan (the folks driving the blockbuster PPVs to begin with).

If the expectation is that Loeffler is going to put money behind all of his talk (folks forget that Top Rank was the lead party during the initial talks), ChavezJr is going to be either stuck without a fight, or having to take the fight for a $2m guarantee.

[Chuckguy]

so many other worthy opponents for Canelo to face at 154.. but Chavez Jr is a "super fight" for the sole fact he's Mexican and son to a legend. how pathetic..skillwise he's a C- level talent. .but hey if it makes dollars it makes $ense.

Bro skill wise jr is at least a b but his lack of dedication makes him a c

[churchmouse]

Evidently GBP and De La Hoya have decided to go the flat fee route and try to take virtually all of the PPV/gate. Flat fees are for noobs and idiots. You never take a flat fee instead of a % of a potentially huge gate. I hope Chavez Jr's team tells GBP to go screw a knothole.

[Scipio2009]

He should of taken the 12 million when he could have fought ggg the first time.

The $12m fight extension was a bad deal on it's face, and that's been made more obvious with time.

Chavez Jr is free to make his own decision on any fight that he wants; Top Rank would've never let Chavez Jr out of his deal, if that one-fight extension nonsense worked.

JCCJr Promotions now has a seat the table, in any negotaitions, win or lose.

[LoadedWraps]

so many other worthy opponents for Canelo to face at 154.. but Chavez Jr is a "super fight" for the sole fact he's Mexican and son to a legend. how pathetic..skillwise he's a C- level talent. .but hey if it makes dollars it makes $ense.

[Bronx2245]

He'll fight Canelo @ 164, but GGG has to go to 168. Deja Vu!

[gauze]

He'll fight Canelo @ 164, but GGG has to go to 168. Deja Vu!

pretty sure when they were trying to do golovkin vs chavez jr the first time around it was going to be at 168. unless i'm mistaken.

[Eff Pandas]

Are they, though? If the offer truly is for $6m plus PPV upside (rumor has it that, were the PPV to be a massive success, Chavez Jr's take could get as high as $10m), what would the counter look like, in real dollars?

Alvarez-ChavezJr isn't going to be Floyd-Manny, Floyd-Alvarez, or Oscar-Floyd; say what you want, but the fact that neither fighter is all that comfortable in English limits the attention that'll be paid to the fight by the American casual fan (the folks driving the blockbuster PPVs to begin with).

I agree that Alvarez vs Junior isn't going to be Floyd vs Manny or the other fights you mention. So the PPV upside isn't likely to be all that great, but then I don't know the exact details of that nor does anyone else here I don't believe. My speculation is the PPV details don't make the $6M GTD worthwhile.

If the expectation is that Loeffler is going to put money behind all of his talk (folks forget that Top Rank was the lead party during the initial talks), ChavezJr is going to be either stuck without a fight, or having to take the fight for a $2m guarantee.

Sometimes you take that risk. I don't believe you should submit to an agreement you don't feel is fair just cuz of what the road without that agreement might lead to.

Plus lets not act like everything that gets said is 100% truth or that people, on both sides, don't make offers &/or say things to get a reaction from the other side & to try to change the landscape to their advantage or get the best value for their guy/team. And I believe any mention of GGG in Canelo talks makes Canelo look like a dip**** for his avoiding of GGG that the consensus of boxing fans hold.

[Realizniguhnit]

Unless Canelo/GBP wants to start taking on the Charlo's or Andrade type boxers he better go ahead and close a deal with Jr or GGG because he just setting himself up for big risk fights with little reward with this flat fee nonsense.

Everybody want to be Floyd Mayweather when it comes to the money but don't generate nearly enough to justify their demands, Canelo probably the closest and still can't get past Floyd's worst PPV numbers...