Is Oscar planning to use Floyd to let Canelo duck GGG until 2018?

[Scipio2009]

GGG-Canelo could have been made September 2015, last May, last September, or next May. Instead, whether Oscar knew this ahead of time or not, it seems Oscar has picked the one month, September 2017, for the fight to happen where Floyd might come back to fight Manny.

What happens if Floyd wants the Manny rematch for September 2017, on the Mexican holiday date? In a sane world the answer would be simple, just move GGG-Canelo to later in the month, or October. However, I can already see it happening where Oscar argues that to maximize the GGG-Canelo PPV, it needs to happen on a Mexican holiday, which means waiting nine more months until May 2018.

Do you think Tom Loeffler has considered this could happen? Do you think it's been Oscar's plan all along? Because from the outside I always assumed Floyd-Manny would happen May 2017, so there wouldn't have been any conflict. But now it seems like Floyd isn't fighting Manny in May, so it could be September. If so, what happens to GGG-Canelo?

Floyd's not coming back and K2's not going to get 30%-40% of the entire event.

With Golovkin ****ing with the money, Golden Boy is setting their plan to move on. Chavez Jr for a May PPV, Saunders or ChavezJr/Cotto rematch for the September PPV, and then see if Golovkin is ready to play ball in 2018.

If Golovkin backs out on the money again, Alvarez again moves on (likely targeting Gilberto Ramirez)

[Boxing Logic]

I don't see Floyd fighting Manny again. The hype is gone.

I don't think this will happen even if Oscar planned it because it's always been my gut feeling that Mayweather will fight the winner of Golovkin vs Canelo (Golovkin) as his 50th. I'm not saying that's been his plan all along, but I think that's how it'll all work out.

You really think Floyd would fight GGG? Although I have to say, with how much faster the 147s look (see Brook vs GGG and Brook isn't as fast as Floyd), and how GGG is already 35 and already promised he would go down to 154 for Floyd, it would be the perfect Floyd type of maneuver to drain a 36 year old GGG to 154 pounds and then say "this is the guy they said I could never beat, but I beat him!" or whatever.

Let GGG build up all the hype during his prime, at 160, and then fight the old, drained version and get all that credit for yourself that he built at 160.

But does Floyd even believe he could beat GGG at 154? If it totally drains GGG and he has no stamina then Floyd could buzz around him all 12 rounds and win easy. But if GGG maintains stamina, his skills and power, and jab, and cutting off the ring, would catch Floyd eventually.

[Madison Boxing]

GGG-Canelo could have been made September 2015, last May, last September, or next May. Instead, whether Oscar knew this ahead of time or not, it seems Oscar has picked the one month, September 2017, for the fight to happen where Floyd might come back to fight Manny.

What happens if Floyd wants the Manny rematch for September 2017, on the Mexican holiday date? In a sane world the answer would be simple, just move GGG-Canelo to later in the month, or October. However, I can already see it happening where Oscar argues that to maximize the GGG-Canelo PPV, it needs to happen on a Mexican holiday, which means waiting nine more months until May 2018.

Do you think Tom Loeffler has considered this could happen? Do you think it's been Oscar's plan all along? Because from the outside I always assumed Floyd-Manny would happen May 2017, so there wouldn't have been any conflict. But now it seems like Floyd isn't fighting Manny in May, so it could be September. If so, what happens to GGG-Canelo?

wouldnt shock me. Im over that fight anyway, not going to bother with talking about it anymore cause it isnt going to happen. Canelo is a ballless piece of **** and his decision to jump over 160 (which he apparantly needed to acclimatise too) to 164, and to drop down to 154 after dropping his belt to avoid golovkin tells us everything we need to know. Hardly a massive jump for a huge jmw is it from 154 to 160. De la hoya is a snake oil merchant and a transvestite, anyone who trusts him to deliver on the ggg v canelo fight this year is naive beyond belief.

[Boxing Logic]

Floyd's not coming back and K2's not going to get 30%-40% of the entire event.

With Golovkin ****ing with the money, Golden Boy is setting their plan to move on. Chavez Jr for a May PPV, Saunders or ChavezJr/Cotto rematch for the September PPV, and then see if Golovkin is ready to play ball in 2018.

If Golovkin backs out on the money again, Alvarez again moves on (likely targeting Gilberto Ramirez)

Is this based on inside information or your own theory? It sounded like inside info up until the Gilberto Ramirez part. Canelo vs Zurdo? Canelo is going to ruin his entire brand to duck the biggest fight in boxing against GGG in order to fight someone even bigger instead, a 6'2.5" southpaw with a 4 inch reach advantage, speed, and power, for less money?

If that actually happened, it would be a testament to how much these guys respect GGG, that they would rather fight a super middleweight undefeated 6'2" southpaw with power and reach than fight GGG. But I can't imagine that. Canelo already ducked the 154 version of Zurdo, Andrade. He's not going to fight the 168 version lol.

[Scipio2009]

Is this based on inside information or your own theory? It sounded like inside info up until the Gilberto Ramirez part. Canelo vs Zurdo? Canelo is going to ruin his entire brand to duck the biggest fight in boxing against GGG in order to fight someone even bigger instead, a 6'2.5" southpaw with a 4 inch reach advantage, speed, and power, for less money?

If that actually happened, it would be a testament to how much these guys respect GGG, that they would rather fight a super middleweight undefeated 6'2" southpaw with power and reach than fight GGG. But I can't imagine that. Canelo already ducked the 154 version of Zurdo, Andrade. He's not going to fight the 168 version lol.

Theory, as is pretty much everything else on the internet. Also, "ruining the entire brand" is a pretty big statement to make without much basis, tbh; in case people forget, Saul Alvarez sold over $5.5m in tickets for fans to come watch him fight Liam Smith (and opponent who was basically a TBA for most of the fans who showed up), while Golovkin's business potential (regardless of how hard HBO wants to push the man) is still in doubt.

With, at this point, no real care for the belts, Saul Alvarez will likely put himself 1) in the best events possible and 2)in fights that are on his financial terms.

Gilberto Ramirez is supposed to be one of the next potential matinee idols of the Mexican fanbase.

It's not like ChavezJr is significantly smaller than "Zurdo" Ramirez is; size difference aside, it's also not like Saul Alvarez is the more battle-tested fighter of the two, either.

Figure out the weight for the fight, figure out a split of the money that Alvarez is willing to give and Ramirez is willing to accept, and then stage the fight in JerryLand for another massive ticket-seller (I think that Alvarez-ChavezJr is a fight that draws a near sellout of AT&T Stadium, with the matinee attention of Alvarez and Ramirez likely doing the same for their fight).

Prizefighting, at that very top-level, is about the fighter in control making good business decisions for themselves and their camp.

Alvarez has been risking his life, in fights against grown men, since he was 14 years old; fear doesn't factor into anything at this point, imo.

It's my estimation though, that Alvarez isn't going to mess up his business to give another fighter a share of HIS event that's entirely unwarranted.

Alvarez-Smith did $5.5m at the gate and $20m in PPV revenue (add in the Mexico money and the rest of the other revenues, less the costs, and it's quite likely that the Smith fight ended up netting out $15m). Gennady Golovkin, regardless of the HBO/fan spin, has yet to show that he's able to draw in the $10m-$12m net to cover his offered payout on the fight, let alone a call for Golovkin to take a significant piece of the full event.