Comments Thread For: WBO Skips Khurtsidze, Installs Canelo as Saunders' Mandatory

[bigdunny1]

Once Alvarez/Chavez becomes official, the WBO will likely mandate Khurtsidze. Saunders has said he's expecting to fight Khurtsidze and then Langford next.

As the WBO champ, BJS would have expensive leverage over Canelo. He can ask for big money b/c the eventual purse split would be unacceptable to Canelo - even a 50/50 split would be unacceptable.

He has NO leverage. If it goes to a purse bid Golden Boy ONLY needs to outbid his promoter. For example if purse bid is 4M Saunders will get 75% of that or whatever is mandated. So Saunders gets 3M. But Canelo isn't getting paid just 1m. Golden Boy will pay him on the side outside of the purse bid way more then that. Saunders promoter is not going to bid something crazy that they can't afford and even if they did Canelo can always pull out the purse bid. Where as if Saunders pulls out he get's stripped of his belt. Just like Kovalev did when he earned a mandatory shot at Stevenson belt and his promoter knew they weren't going to out bid haymon they pulled out and found another fight. The champ is at the disadvantage in the purse bid because if he pulls out he is stripped.

[Eastcoast]

He has NO leverage. If it goes to a purse bid Golden Boy ONLY needs to outbid his promoter. For example if purse bid is 4M Saunders will get 75% of that or whatever is mandated. So Saunders gets 3M. But Canelo isn't getting paid just 1m. Golden Boy will pay him on the side outside of the purse bid way more then that. Saunders promoter is not going to bid something crazy that they can't afford and even if they did Canelo can always pull out the purse bid. Where as if Saunders pulls out he get's stripped of his belt. Just like Kovalev did when he earned a mandatory shot at Stevenson belt and his promoter knew they weren't going to out bid haymon they pulled out and found another fight. The champ is at the disadvantage in the purse bid because if he pulls out he is stripped.

If it goes to purse bid, Warren can afford to bid a hell of a lot more the $4mill lol! He could either sell the fight in the US for a **** ton of money or keep in the UK for a **** ton of money, lol!

Yeah, BJS does have some leverage if Canelo really wants that belt.

[icha]

who really gives a toss about what belts are on the line. just fight ffs

Totally agree, in the meantime go post on gggs social media and demand him to take canelos offer so that we can all watch this fight no later than september... tell him that his fans deserve a meaningfull fight for once...

[icha]

Its starting to sound like a circus event. Canelo can fight Saunders at 160 and Chavez Jr. at 168 but can't fight Golovkin at 160. Make that the 3 of us.

He can, in fact he is currently offering ggg 15 million to make the fight at 160... thats a lot more money than chavez and saunders will be getting combined...

[bigdunny1]

If it goes to purse bid, Warren can afford to bid a hell of a lot more the $4mill lol! He could either sell the fight in the US for a **** ton of money or keep in the UK for a **** ton of money, lol!

Yeah, BJS does have some leverage if Canelo really wants that belt.

Warren doesn't have as much money as Golden Boy has to bid. Canelo has HBO PPV money behind him and like I said if Warren tries to bluff and bid more money then he actually has Canelo will just pull out the Purse bid like Kovalev did. Where as if Golden Boy wins and they pull out they are stripped. Canelo doesn't care about Saunders if he can make a fight great if not EVERYONE wants to fight him. Saunders looked shaky his last fight and could literally lose to any top 10 middleweight in a fight nobody cares about where he is paid peanuts. Better take whatever money Canelo offers before that happens. Canelo has a title shot with every other belt later this year with GGG if all he cares about is a belt no need to overpay bum Saunders for one. Saunders needs Canelo if he wants a payday not the other way around and like I said he is the only one who get's stripped. Saunders has ZERO leverage with Canelo. He'll get offered a career payday more then anyone else can offer him if he still turns it down he's a damn fool and Canelo will move on.

[Eastcoast]

Warren doesn't have as much money as Golden Boy has to bid. Canelo has HBO PPV money behind him and like I said if Warren tries to bluff and bid more money then he actually has Canelo will just pull out the Purse bid like Kovalev did. Where as if Golden Boy wins and they pull out they are stripped. Canelo doesn't care about Saunders if he can make a fight great if not EVERYONE wants to fight him. Saunders looked shaky his last fight and could literally lose to any top 10 middleweight in a fight nobody cares about where he is paid peanuts. Better take whatever money Canelo offers before that happens. Canelo has a title shot with every other belt later this year with GGG if all he cares about is a belt no need to overpay bum Saunders for one. Saunders needs Canelo if he wants a payday not the other way around and like I said he is the only one who get's stripped. Saunders has ZERO leverage with Canelo

Warren has a lot more money than you obviously know about. He just signed the new tv deal in the UK that pays big. He'd obviously make it ppv in both UK and US, and he'd make it a stadium show in the UK. He knows he'd be able to sell the fight to HBO. Like I said, he'd bid waaaaaay over $4mill, to suggest that's his limit is naive. At any rate he'd be able to bid high enough that a purse bid would kill the deal all together.

[bigdunny1]

Warren has a lot more money than you obviously know about. He just signed the new tv deal in the UK that pays big. He'd obviously make it ppv in both UK and US, and he'd make it a stadium show in the UK. He knows he'd be able to sell the fight to HBO. Like I said, he'd bid waaaaaay over $4mill, to suggest that's his limit is naive. At any rate he'd be able to bid high enough that a purse bid would kill the deal all together.

Those PPVs that sell for 20 bucks over in the UK don't make anywhere near the money the big boys make in the US selling 70 bucks. Fights in UK stadiums with cheap ticket prices. Or PPV fights in vegas casinos pay out the nose for the rights and they charge tickets in the thousands. Have live gates in the UK stadiums doing 2-3m while Canelo fought in a small vegas arena against Khan and it generated a live gate of over 7m on ticket sales alone. Stop pretending like Warren is winning any bid against Canelo. LMAO

[Eastcoast]

Those PPVs that sell for 20 bucks over in the UK don't make anywhere near the money the big boys make in the US selling 70 bucks. Fights in stadiums with cheap ticket prices. Or PPV fights in vegas casinos pay out the nose for the rights and they charge tickets in the thousands. Have live gates in the UK stadiums doing 2-3m while Canelo fought in a small vegas arena against Khan and it generated a live gate of over 7m. Stop pretending like Warren is winning any bid against Canelo. LMAO

God damn it, pay attention. I'm not saying Warren would win a purse bid, I'm saying he has the means to make it high enough that GB would have to put up a legit bid, and end up paying BJS big money. Saunders/Alvarez theoretically would do atleast what Brook/Golovkin did in the UK alone. That's around $8-9mill right there.

But the point again, is that it forces GB to have negotiate with BJS to avoid going to bid. The fight doesn't happen with a bid (period/end-of-story).

[bigdunny1]

He can, in fact he is currently offering ggg 15 million to make the fight at 160... thats a lot more money than chavez and saunders will be getting combined...

Exactly. Canelo is the golden goose they all want to win the lottery and get a fight with him to earn paydays they can't even dream about getting from anyone else. Canelo sitting pretty right now with options

[bigdunny1]

God damn it, pay attention. I'm not saying Warren would win a purse bid, I'm saying he has the means to make it high enough that GB would have to put up a legit bid, and end up paying BJS big money. Saunders/Alvarez theoretically would do atleast what Brook/Golovkin did in the UK alone. That's around $8-9mill right there.

But the point again, is that it forces GB to have negotiate with BJS to avoid going to bid. The fight doesn't happen with a bid (period/end-of-story).

I don't think this fight will go to a purse bid because either GB puts the bid high enough to where they are comfortable to winning it because Warren is limited in the offer he can make and if warrens bluffs and bids higher then GB is comfortable with paying a bum like Saunders for his trinket they will move on and Saunders loses out on a once in a lifetime payday before some bum contender beats the brakes off him. GB will make a offer that's probably triple what Saunders has ever made and he'll either take it or he won't. Saunders is nobody that Canelo has to overpay for or go through long back and forth negotiations. LMAO He's only in the running for the Canelo lottery because his belt. If he get's stripped or loses tomorrow Canelo will never fight him because he brings nothing else to the table. And like I said he has the pressure of a purse bid because he's the only one who gets stripped if he loses the bid or backs out NOT canelo.

Canelo is operating from a point of strength against either GGG, Canelo and damn sure bum azzz Saunders in any negotiations.