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    #11
    Originally posted by _Maxi
    So my questions are:

    1) Why is the NSAC saying that USADA didn't have the authority to grant a TUE? why is NSAC calling them unprofessional for doing so? how is it that an IV is not illegal by the NSAC, but the NSAC director is saying that it needs NSAC approval first?

    2) Why did it take three weeks to USADA to approve the IV? It's not reasonable. It was approved instantly by the USADA people that was there with Mayweather, but officially it took them three weeks to grant a TUE? doesn't make sense to me, and doesn't make sense to NSAC. Don't play smart with me.
    They don't have the authority to grant a TUE for NSAC. Mayweather didn't need a TUE from NSAC because IV's aren't illegal under their rules. The TUE was only relevant to USADA and WADA.

    TUE approvals are granted by a panel of experts. They can't be granted on the spot.

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      #12
      Im trying to research and I can't find anything about IVs being legal in the NSAC.

      But what I do see is that if there's a TUE, it must be granted by the NSAC:

      Question: What are the procedures for applying for a the****utic use exemption (other than for T.R.T.) for an unarmed combatant in Nevada?

      Answer: Unarmed combatants may apply for a the****utic use for certain substances found on WADA's list of prohibited substances. If an unarmed combatant believes he or she has a the****utic use for such a substance, he or she must apply for a the****utic use exemption (T.U.E.). It is the responsibility of any licensed contestant, or contestant who may be seeking a license in Nevada, to apply for a the****utic use exemption from the Nevada Athletic Commission. Failure to obtain a the****utic use exemption for a prohibited substance that is detected after the fact will be considered a violation of NRS Chapter 467, which may be grounds for a disciplinary complaint if a contestant is already licensed, or denial of a license. For more information on obtaining a T.U.E., CLICK HERE.
      Source: http://boxing.nv.gov/faq/sections/Drugs_Medications/

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        #13
        Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
        They don't have the authority to grant a TUE for NSAC. Mayweather didn't need a TUE from NSAC because IV's aren't illegal under their rules. The TUE was only relevant to USADA and WADA.

        TUE approvals are granted by a panel of experts. They can't be granted on the spot.
        Do you have info about IVs being legal to NSAC?

        All I could find is that they consider Illegal anything that WADA considers illegal:



        PROHIBITED ACTS; DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
        Any drug identified on the most current edition of the Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which is hereby adopted by reference. The most current edition of the Prohibited List may be obtained, free of charge, at the Internet address www.wada-ama.org.
        They also said they consider prohibited anything that USADA prohibits:

        Question: Where can I find more information on allowable drugs?
        USADA Guide to Prohibited List
        USADA: IVs of more than 50 ml are prohibited

        so?

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        Last edited by _Maxi; 12-22-2016, 12:37 AM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by _Maxi
          Do you have info about IVs being legal to NSAC?

          All I could find is that they consider Illegal anything that WADA considers illegal:





          They also said they consider prohibited anything that USADA prohibits:







          USADA: IVs of more than 50 ml are prohibited


          Like MMA fighters openly admitting using IV's in Nevada? Until USADA took over testing and banned them.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
            Like MMA fighters openly admitting using IV's in Nevada? Until USADA took over testing and banned them.

            So the NSAC says they are illegal because they follow WADA and USADA rules, but you post some random video with fighters saying they have used IV's and that proves that IVs are legal under NSAC?

            Is that all you have? nothing.

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              #16
              Originally posted by _Maxi
              So the NSAC says they are illegal because they follow WADA and USADA rules, but you post some random video with fighters saying they have used IV's and that proves that IVs are legal under NSAC?

              Is that all you have? nothing.
              They don't follow USADA/WADA rules they follow their banned substances list. Saline isn't a banned substance.

              That video is UFC fighters talking about IV's being banned because they will be doing USADA testing. They were allowed to freely use IV's under NSAC.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
                They don't follow USADA/WADA rules they follow their banned substances list. Saline isn't a banned substance.

                That video is UFC fighters talking about IV's being banned because they will be doing USADA testing. They were allowed to freely use IV's under NSAC.
                The "prohibited list" by WADA mentioned in NSAC rules doesn't only contain subtances. Is the list of banned substances and METHODS.

                https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...ed-list-en.pdf

                PROHIBITED METHODS: MANIPULATION OF BLOOD AND BLOOD COMPONENTS
                3. Any form of intravascular manipulation of the blood
                or blood components by physical or chemical means
                In the "prohibited list" by USADA, which is also linked in the NSAC page, and is the same than WADA, they also include the prohibited methods:

                http://www.usada.org/substances/proh...athlete-guide/

                Methods Prohibited At All Times (Both In- and Out-of- Competition)
                M1. Manipulation of Blood and Blood Components

                Blood doping, the use of red blood cells from any source, or otherwise artificially enhancing the uptake, transport, or delivery of oxygen, is prohibited. Any type of intravenous (IV) manipulation of the blood or blood components by physical or chemical means is prohibited.
                Last edited by _Maxi; 12-22-2016, 01:01 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by _Maxi
                  The "prohibited list" by WADA mentioned in NSAC rules doesn't only contain subtances. Is the list of banned substances and METHODS.

                  https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...ed-list-en.pdf



                  In the "prohibited list" by USADA, which is also linked in the NSAC page, and is the same than WADA, they also include the prohibited methods:

                  http://www.usada.org/substances/proh...athlete-guide/
                  NSAC doesn't follow the WADA rules.

                  "The NSAC will continue to use the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned substance list but will refrain from adopting the full WADA code. The commission feels that allows it to modify certain elements of its drug-testing protocols specifically for combat sports.

                  As an example, the NSAC voted to add stimulants, such as *******, to its out-of-competition banned substance list, whereas WADA considers ******* a banned substance only within 12 hours of an event."

                  http://www.espn.co.uk/mma/story/_/id...ping-practices


                  They pick and choose what to follow.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
                    NSAC doesn't follow the WADA rules.

                    "The NSAC will continue to use the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned substance list but will refrain from adopting the full WADA code. The commission feels that allows it to modify certain elements of its drug-testing protocols specifically for combat sports.

                    As an example, the NSAC voted to add stimulants, such as *******, to its out-of-competition banned substance list, whereas WADA considers ******* a banned substance only within 12 hours of an event."

                    http://www.espn.co.uk/mma/story/_/id...ping-practices


                    They pick and choose what to follow.
                    They ADDED more restrictions, for example *******. In the same document, they stated:

                    2.We will continue to follow WADA’s Prohibited List, for both prohibited substances and prohibited methodologies.
                    Check mate.
                    Source is 2015 penalties recommendations by NSAC which is now going to "page not found" on it's website but you can read on the BoxingLasVegas website: http://boxinginlasvegas.com/penaltie...nes_and_a.html

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by _Maxi
                      They ADDED more restrictions, for example *******. In the same document, they stated:



                      Check mate.
                      You're ******.

                      It says they won't adopt the full WADA code. That means they won't follow all the rules.

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