Ward and Kov Can Not Be P4P Due To Lack Of Skills...

[LoadedWraps]

P4P is more a measurement of skill than resume which is why lower weight classes generally do better. pound for pound best.



Ward does not have a right hand. None.

Kovalev can only fight long range. I couldn't believe how he backed off of Ward when he had him cornered and on the ropes numerous times. His power seems to only be in straights.



GGG is number 1.


He has a better hit and not get hit ratio than Ward.

He has both hands.

he has straight shots and hooks.

He can get you out of there long range.

Or he can put a head on your chest against the ropes and take out your body.








He has no losses.

You are partially correct in criteria, but you are mistaken if you think Ward and Kovalev aren't both complete fighters in their own right.

Ward does have a right hand. If this is hyperbole it's poor usage.

That said, skill being an important criteria, arguably more important than resume, is something I agree with.

When I get asked why I consistently rank guys like Lomachenko, Rigo, Golovkin, and Fury highly I point to skill when detractors point to resume.

[New England]

ward has taken only a few "sunday punches" in his career. golovkin's taken a lot of his opponent's best shots. stevens, brook, lemieux, willie monroe, gabe rosado, these guys all hit golovkin with basically the biggest shots they could throw.

i've only seen ward tagged like that a handful of times. let's also not forget that ward's fought much better fighters in his career, and that golovkin's resume is lacking for a pound for pounder.

[Ryan8777]

Based off his career lol. He's great offensively but gets hit too much to be considered more complete than Ward or Kovalev.

[Madison Boxing]

yep, find myself agreeing with you again. Cant say i was blown away by the skill level on show that night, kept getting told in the build up that these two were the best fighters in the sport, well it didnt look like it to me. Not much offensive variety from either of them, kovalev had issues cutting off the ring, just plodding after ward at times, but ward hardly looked amazingly slick, getting tagged by jabs all night long

[j0zef]

^^^^this....one fight doesn't define a fighters legacy and resume.

Lol, you're the last guy who should be quoting me on that. You've basically been judging Golovkin based off his fight with Brook for 3 months now.

[HeadShots]

thread went to hell with this line....sorry bro...you cant be p4p # 1 without wins over elite opposition or at least without cleaning out your division....he has done neither

shouldve, couldve, wouldve dont make hall of famers, champions or p4p # 1

what GGG has is talent, hype, and speculation based results...in reality, he has the thinnest resume of anyone considered the best in their respective division....he only has one win over current top ten guys and he is an active fighter...it shows his level of opposition is clearly below Loma, Ward, Kov, Chocolatito, Bud, Garcia and others who arent as heavily hyped yet have taken more risks

he has something more than any other P4P fighter. that is fear.



Canelo ducked him. this is a fact of history.


Cotto ducked him. fact of history.

BJS ducked him. "GGG will beat me and Eubank Jr on the same night."

Martinez ducked him. Fact.


Quillen ducked him. Fact.


Sturm ducked him. Fact.


Froch ducked him. "I'll swerve GGG like the plague."


Ward. "No concessions for GGG" "Fight will never happen"






This kind of unprecedented ducking solidifies his P4P status. Professional fighters are straight up petrified of this man.

[HeadShots]

ward has taken only a few "sunday punches" in his career. golovkin's taken a lot of his opponent's best shots. stevens, brook, lemieux, willie monroe, gabe rosado, these guys all hit golovkin with basically the biggest shots they could throw.

i've only seen ward tagged like that a handful of times. let's also not forget that ward's fought much better fighters in his career, and that golovkin's resume is lacking for a pound for pounder.

Ward has been dropped twice.


GGG has never been dropped.



on top of that GGG gets hit less than Ward over a fight due to actually finishing them.


GGG has better hit and not get hit ratio.


GGG's defense > Ward's defense.





Offense. there's no comparison. GGG is superior. GGG has better offense and arguably better defense.


GGG > Ward
sorry sonny.

[HeadShots]

yep, find myself agreeing with you again. Cant say i was blown away by the skill level on show that night, kept getting told in the build up that these two were the best fighters in the sport, well it didnt look like it to me. Not much offensive variety from either of them, kovalev had issues cutting off the ring, just plodding after ward at times, but ward hardly looked amazingly slick, getting tagged by jabs all night long

Kovalev also was exposed as having a less than stellar gas tank. He reminds me of Tyson now at this point.

He fades at the midway point.


GGG doesn't stop. That 11th round mauling of Murray is positive proof of that.

[HeadShots]

Based off his career lol. He's great offensively but gets hit too much to be considered more complete than Ward or Kovalev.

KOvalev has been dropped multiple times professionally.

Ward has been dropped twice.


GGG has never been dropped.

he has one of the best hit to not get hit ratios in the sport. better than ward. he's the only offensive fighter in the top 10.




GGG's defense > both of those 2

[HeadShots]

Triple Gay can't even move his head. How is he p4p #1?

Wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPhq5KK3Jno