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  • #11
    Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums! View Post
    Wlads main problem here, as someone has stated above is he won't be allowed to clinch. Also, although he looks fractionally talker so far I think when they are in the ring in boxing boots they will be the same height and Joshua will be stronger do he won't even be able to clinch.

    That's a big part of his game, you take it away and he's going to have problems.

    He wasn't allowed to clinch Jennings and looked horrible. Fury didn't let him clinch and he looked horrible.

    Neither of those guys can punch. Joshua can.

    Dangerous fight for wlad
    But not dangerous for Josh?

    Seems like people give a lot of credit, abilities to Josh, very little to Wlad.

    Yet Wlad has been much more tested.

    Wlad won't be able to clinch a lot but he won't have a size disadvantage like he had facing the Gyppo king.

    I believe Wlad knows a lot more than Josh when it comes to boxing.

    The question is, what is left in Wlad's tank.

    We just don't know.

    Don't he is totally over the hill or if he just went through a bad moment.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by asgarth View Post
      I dont know how you came to the conclusion that klitschko likes to fight ko specialists.

      Last 10:
      Tyson Fury - not a hard puncher
      Bryant Jennings - not a hard puncher
      Kubrat Pulev - has stingy shots, most KO due to accumulation
      Alex Lepai - Is nothing
      Alexander Povetkn - Decent Puncher
      Francesco Pianeta - nothing
      Mariusz Wach - big sack of ****
      Tony Thompson - good boxer, no power
      Jean Marc Mormeck - lol
      David Haye - Puncher

      So out of his last 10 fights he has faced 2 punchers.

      And out of these 2 guys haye is undersized and povetkin doesnt really know how to fight taller fighters (Wach is not an example, he was just garbage).

      We have not all the answers about Joshua - especially stamina, chin and defense, but he has youth, power and size on his side.

      Klitschko lost his last fight, is about to get 41 and started to slip since the jennings fight. One of Klitschkos best defensive move besides keeping opponents at bay with his jab is to clinch and put weight on the smaller opponent to exhaust them.
      It works against undersized and slow guys, but I dont think he can clinch Joshua as easily.

      I also dont think its a good idea to comeback with an undefeated, power puncher.
      Yet going from the Martins and Molina of the world to face Wlad tells me the protective Josh crew thinks Wlad is finished and shot.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by daggum View Post
        wlad the defensive specialist...hmmm yeah if you think clinching is legit defense. his actual defense and movement suck as we saw when he fought a guy he couldn't clinch in fury. he was slow and robotic. joshua doesnt fight like fury so someone will be getting ko'd. both guys have power and probably bad chins(we know wlad does, joshua is suspect)
        So he's chinny and has a poor defence, when was the last time he was knocked out ? You're a moron.

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        • #14
          You stated Joshua needs to stay patient but Joshua is patient .He waits for his opponents to punch then counters ,if they dont then he makes them with his own punches . People who dont study footage THINK opponents arent fighting back but the reality is they are afraid to throw punches bc what is coming back at them and realise the best chance is catching Joshua with a shot as he comes in.

          This is going to be a cautious counter punch game that could end any moment from opening bell,what gives Joshua the advantage is he doesnt need the jab to win like Wlad does . I dont believe ring experience stops a better fighter here in Joshua , he is more explosive than mythodical but smart enough to match Wlad in dictating how this fight is going to be fought . I believe Klitchko has less room for error ,and Joshua is great at countering jabs if he gets in on Wlad enough after he stungs him its over.

          How to defeat Joshua ? Well Joshua doesnt make mistakes he is nearly impossible to get into position long enough to capatilize on anything and by the time you think you have a moment your heads snapping back from punches or hes not in range altogether . You have to BAIT trap him, miss a punch to set up another ,this is the only way . Guide him into a false sense of that hes countering you but you will be 2 to 3 steps ahead of him of punch sequences you know to throw .

          Wlad should giude him with jabs that go past Joshua ,put him in a direction where you anticipate hes ripe to actually unload on .Bait him with short jabs that are out of reach but that puts you in position for a straight right the moment he takes one step forward then throw uppercuts straight down the pipe stepping back if he manages to slip under neath anything (he fights like a big Tyson when slipping shots),Joshua will be lost . Klitchko has all the attributes to do this and then ring generalship takes over explosive talent thats inexperienced .

          If Wlad tries to play sharp shooter with Joshua he losses hes going to miss and get k.od . By learing Joshua with little risk by missing punches to set up bigger ones he will then be reacting (Joshua) to his own reflexes putting him at dissadvantage as Wlad counters him. Wlad doesnt like to miss punches but in disguising the fake ones from real ones gives him the best opportunity to land solidly ....if he does not stop Joshua in his tracks early the fight is lost any which way . I know this sounds counter productive but if Wlad tries to much with landing jabs hes not goinfg to win ,hes going to win with straight right hands and IF the opportunity opens up that left hook can close the show ,IF this fight gets to 8 rnds then i believe Wlad should start to play the sharp shooter jab tactic . He also has to be weary about clichin bc Joshua will unload on him ,if he is breaking down Joshua would i only then intercept him coming in ,i hope his team realises clichin with a fresh Joshua is not safe .

          Based on nobody will probably read this im still going with Joshua by 6th rnd k.o
          Last edited by juggernaut666; 12-16-2016, 12:29 PM.

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          • #15
            Wlad was a hell of a good champion for many years. He fought them all and avoided no heavyweight worth fighting. He clearly beat them all. He is is in his 40s now and well past prime and not nearly the fighter he once was. Fury clearly showed that fact. Joshua is a mighty fighter getting better each fight and KOing 100% of his opponents. Even if Wlad fights twice as good as he did against Fury I think he is still too old and passed prime. He will be A.J.'s next KO win. A prime Wlad probably could have defeated today's Joshua but the current Wlad will get KOed.

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            • #16
              I shouldn't have said Wlad beat them all because he lost by KO several times earlier in his career. Once Steward and Wlad perfected his style and he hit his stride he never lost again until Fury beat him. He had a very large number of successful title defenses in a row over many years.

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              • #17
                I agree Klitschko has slipped with age, but Jennings and Fury were fleet footed which was always going to be awkward for Vlads stalking risk averse style. Fury fought brilliantly, but a lot of Furys success was based upon Klit himself.

                I think Joshua is an unproven commodity. He hasn't really beat anyone of true world class pedigree, and his performance in the Olympics was considered "lucky" for some of the decisions (Cammarello, Savon etc.) Some people talk about Joshua being this incredible combination and counter-punching machine, but in the eyes of a lot dedicated fans/ boxers he hasn't proven it yet. He is still very raw and appears amateurish at least in my eyes. Seems to pull his right cross short, footwork seems quite robotic and not fluid. Even with all his supposed aggression he took far too many shots from Dillian Whyte in rounds 2 and 3 and seemed to not be able to control the distance for a British level fighter. Sure he is good, but definitely not a level above a lot of the guys in the top 10 which is how people speak of him. He has been constantly KOd and dropped in sparring (even recently by Marius Wach), who has light hands and slow feet. I personally think that as an athlete he is top class, but as a boxer he will need a few more years to develop.

                I see Klit establishing the jab and not letting Josh plant his feet to throw his right. It could end with a leaping left hook (eg. Pulev fight) in rounds 1-6, or with a 1-2 in the later rounds as well. I see Josh tasting Klits power and being a little more cagey than people expect, but also vice versa with Klit. I have put a few hundred on Klit by decision (which is paying $7.50 which is crazy given his record.) I think the original poster was right on his analysis.

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                • #18
                  Fury only won because he was all over the place and confused Wlad. AJ is one of the most predictable and stiff fighters I have ever seen. WLAD IS WINNING THIS ONE - DATED 19TH APRIL 2017, 11:21AM

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