Comments Thread For: Kovalev: Golovkin-Canelo is 50-50, Canelo Held His Own With GGG

[Thaman2x]

I have a feeling that this fight will NOT live up to the hype its already generating. In my eyes, Canelo is on another level from GGG. Sure, GGG has knocked out plenty of people- his power is there. But, put him in the ring with someone with a bit more ring IQ than him, IN his weight class, and he struggles (see Kell Brook). Canelo's level of opposition sets him apart from GGG.

I like them both, but if I am to be honest with myself, Canelo will outclass this dude, especially if he works the body like he did against Liam. Only difference is, Canelo might get head-hunt-hungry because GGG is easy to hit. I'm hoping Charlo gets a stab at GGG. That will be a good measuring stick for how GGG handles boxers that are naturally his size.

[Kigali]

Yeah, and Boone knocked Kovalev down "multiple times" according to you.

According to Boone.

[SplitSecond]

Means little. Golovkin is hardly going to use his pro style of seek and murder in sparring. It more than likely was like his sparring vs Mosley, just work and practice.

[SplitSecond]

I have a feeling that this fight will NOT live up to the hype its already generating. In my eyes, Canelo is on another level from GGG. Sure, GGG has knocked out plenty of people- his power is there. But, put him in the ring with someone with a bit more ring IQ than him, IN his weight class, and he struggles (see Kell Brook). Canelo's level of opposition sets him apart from GGG.

I like them both, but if I am to be honest with myself, Canelo will outclass this dude, especially if he works the body like he did against Liam. Only difference is, Canelo might get head-hunt-hungry because GGG is easy to hit. I'm hoping Charlo gets a stab at GGG. That will be a good measuring stick for how GGG handles boxers that are naturally his size.

It will only not live up to the hype if GBP waits till Golovkin is past it.

[Metho_4u]

Quit funny... GGG dropped Kovalev in sparring with bodyshot... Even his coach admitted it...

So wtf does that have to do with how Canelo did with him in sparring? He also couldn't knock a WW with 1 eye down.

[angkag]

But, put him in the ring with someone with a bit more ring IQ than him, IN his weight class, and he struggles (see Kell Brook).

GGG struggled in that fight ? He lost a round for sure (and if you want to agree with the judges, 2 of whom gave him round 1 even though GGG outscored Brook in every measurable stat + staggered him, then he lost more than 1).

He showed almost no regard for Brook's power so took shots, but if you want to see what happens when he does respect the power of the other guy, watch the Lemieux fight.

Anyway, if that's GGG struggling (vs Brook), that's some high praise.

He will fight Canelo more like he fought Lemieux and it will be a lot more technical than with Brook. Canelo will need to get past the jab and land while protecting himself against counters. He won't want to get in a firefight with GGG, although that might break out if one of them gets hurt.

I see Canelo as more capable than Lemieux at getting past GGG's jab to make a fight of it, but I suspect he will take hurtful counters early that reduce his aggression and keep him from moving forward as often as he would like (definition of keeping him honest). Could stay technical at distance for long periods, which plays into GGG's hands more than Canelo. Then Canelo will go for it if he feels he's falling behind on the cards and a fight breaks out, then someone gets hurt - could go either way, but odds are Canelo gets hurt first.

ps. GGG and Rigo are chalk and cheese in how they fight, but they have ONE thing in common. Rigo has skills in his toolbox that he's almost never used as he hasn't needed to - at his peak his foot-speed and straight left were enough to beat pretty much everyone, he didn't have to employ half of the tools he had. GGG also has skills he has hardly used - that was why the Lemieux fight came as such a surprise as he used tools he hadn't needed against anyone else. It doesn't mean the 'destruction mode activated - march forward - forget the defence' is the only thing he can do. Its what he has used a lot - but lets not pretend that's the only tool in his box.

[Robi13]

he was a kid back when they sparred

Canelo is MUCH better now, he shows improvement every fight

and you're right, he will be better/stronger at 160

the weight matters

If that fight happened at 155, Canelo would knock Golovkin the fk out..... simply because Golovkin would be wrecked by the weight-loss..... THAT is why they refused to negotiate with Canelo on the weight, because they know all that 154-168 stuff is bullshht LMAO

if that fight happened now at 160, I would slightly favor GGG

but in 12-18 months, I would favor Canelo..... not 50/50

and I definitely agree with you on the result as well

that fight will go to a decision

Kovalev understands about levels

only way ggg wins is by ko/tko and that's a tall order, if ggg doesn't get the stoppage i think Canelo boxes circles arround ggg and Canelo would be closer to getting the stoppage then ggg would be, if and its a big if, Canelo can take ggg power.

[Metho_4u]

GGG struggled in that fight ? He lost a round for sure (and if you want to agree with the judges, 2 of whom gave him round 1 even though GGG outscored Brook in every measurable stat + staggered him, then he lost more than 1).

He showed almost no regard for Brook's power so took shots, but if you want to see what happens when he does respect the power of the other guy, watch the Lemieux fight.

Anyway, if that's GGG struggling (vs Brook), that's some high praise.

He will fight Canelo more like he fought Lemieux and it will be a lot more technical than with Brook. Canelo will need to get past the jab and land while protecting himself against counters. He won't want to get in a firefight with GGG, although that might break out if one of them gets hurt.

I see Canelo as more capable than Lemieux at getting past GGG's jab to make a fight of it, but I suspect he will take hurtful counters early that reduce his aggression and keep him from moving forward as often as he would like (definition of keeping him honest). Could stay technical at distance for long periods, which plays into GGG's hands more than Canelo. Then Canelo will go for it if he feels he's falling behind on the cards and a fight breaks out, then someone gets hurt - could go either way, but odds are Canelo gets hurt first.

ps. GGG and Rigo are chalk and cheese in how they fight, but they have ONE thing in common. Rigo has skills in his toolbox that he's almost never used as he hasn't needed to - at his peak his foot-speed and straight left were enough to beat pretty much everyone, he didn't have to employ half of the tools he had. GGG also has skills he has hardly used - that was why the Lemieux fight came as such a surprise as he used tools he hadn't needed against anyone else. It doesn't mean the 'destruction mode activated - march forward - forget the defence' is the only thing he can do. Its what he has used a lot - but lets not pretend that's the only tool in his box.

Dude, I hate to tell you, but if triple fafafachina had the tools, he'd have gotten in the ring with Ward, instead of offering 164 lbs, fought Froch at 172 instead of offering 166 lbs, moved up and fought Degale or jack, AND been able to clean out his division. If he dropped Kovalev in sparring, why don't you think he'd move up to 175 and fight him? Surely that would put him in the elite league, rather than the bum club right? He doesn't move up because he'd be ****ing flattened by Kovalev.

Instead he's used the unification excuse for 36 fights, oddly enough he STILL doesn't have all the belts. He won't move up, he won't go down, and at his last weigh in he did NOT look good at all. Look for his first really significant fight to be him getting his azz handed to him.

[Mequetrefe]

Salty A$$ Kovalev, still butthurt over that bodyshot that dropped his a$$.

[Robbie Barrett]

It will only not live up to the hype if GBP waits till Golovkin is past it.

That's going to be the excuse anyway. After the Brook fight there were posters like _Maxi saying Golovkin was past prime.