Golovkin is not P4P top 5

[BrometheusBob.]

You're deflecting, as always. My point was that TS is an alt who's parroting around same old BS. Rigo's resume sucks and he's overrated to the max. Golovkin has wins over ~10 Top10 contenders.

Quit acting like Donaire is some super ATG win and that everyone Golovkin fought is Alexander Brand level and people will start taking you seriously instead of grouping you with the rest of the Golovkin trolls.

Donaire literally had just been named fighter of the year and then went up to Rigo and got demolished. He's not an ATG obviously but he's no question better than what's on GGG's resume.

And yes GGG's opponents aren't all Alexander Brand level but that doesn't mean they are all that great. I had made a poll regarding one of GGG's premiere wins over Daniel Geale and the average rating of the quality of that win, as voted by members of the forum, has been hovering around a 6/10. I'd be shocked if anyone on GGG's resume garnered a substantially higher score.

We're basically having a discussion ITT whether a fighter with a few 6/10 quality wins is worthy of being in the top 5 P4P. I mean, is that even a question that needs to be asked?

EDIT: To be clear though, I'm not necessarily suggesting that Rigo should be higher P4P than GGG right now. But I am definitely saying that GGG's resume lacks substance consistent with his high standing and that Rigo's win was obviously enough to move him deep into the P4P list at the time.

[Madison Boxing]

Golovkin is not a P4P top 5 boxer. It is simply unfair to put him there.

His best win is a blown-up welterweight who gave him jellylegs with an uppercut. Besides that, Golovkin has done nothing. Well, beating Murray is kinda okay, but nothing special...

I don't care if "everyone are afraid to fight him", just like I don't care if Rigondeaux is in that situation. They must simply take some greater risks for greatness then.

Rigondeaux is not even P4P top 5 material and his resume is actually way better than Golovkin's. I don't care if you have knocked out a lot of bums.

Guys like Wilder and Golovkin do not belong to such lists. I mean, seriously, here is some guys who definetely should be above Golovkin:

- Ward
- Kovalev
- Lomachenko
- Fury
- Crawford
- Pacquiao (Pacquiao's last win was better than any win on Golovkin's record, lol, and it was regarded as a weak opponent for Pacquiao)
- Thurman
- Frampton
- Gonzales
- etc. etc.

Julius Indongo himself now deserves to be higher on the P4P rankings, simply for beating Troyanovski, lol.

So can we please forget the wishful white supremacy thinking and start ranking fighters on their ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not just how good they look in beating trash opposition?

lol okay, and i guess if golovkin isnt p4p top 5, then grass isnt green, water isnt wet, and the sky isnt blue....

[Weltschmerz]

Who cares seriously about 'P4P'?

[just the facts]

lol okay, and i guess if golovkin isnt p4p top 5, then grass isnt green, water isnt wet, and the sky isnt blue....

dead grass isn't green, frozen water isn't wet, the sky isn't always blue, and g strings resume isn't good enough yet to be considered top 5 P4P.

[Larry the boss]

You're deflecting, as always. My point was that TS is an alt who's parroting around same old BS. Rigo's resume sucks and he's overrated to the max. Golovkin has wins over ~10 Top10 contenders.

Quit acting like Donaire is some super ATG win and that everyone Golovkin fought is Alexander Brand level and people will start taking you seriously instead of grouping you with the rest of the Golovkin trolls.

But you just slammed Donaires resume and are now trying to praise GGG's...HOW DOES THAT WORK?

[Rock&Roll]

p4p resume?

Bad news, the #1 criteria for compiling any CREDIBLE P4P list always has been and always will be resume. I know it doesn't fit your agenda but that's just a fact.

We all know fights get made on popularity, politics, money etc. P4P isn't a pissing contest (who's got the best resume) as it's not fair. P4P is about who is the best boxer, irrespective of size and weight.
▪Just because your the more popular/bigger star, it doesn't mean you are a better boxer.

The word 'duck' gets used very loosely on this site but we should only refer to a duck when its VERY clear the fighter has been avoided (obviously in same weight division).

If you are adamant a p4p list requirement is a fighters resume, its only fair that fighters who have ducked them should be taken into consideration also.

A p4p list should take into consideration
resume as a factor but not the main factor.
Overall record, resume, how they won, qaulity of opposition, moving weight divisions to fight best (not because you've outgrown it), and getting ducked are all factors.

I think most org's give GGG some leniency when factoring in his resume, given the amount of people who have avoided him. After all, if he had fought these people, more than likely we wouldn't be having this debate, as his resume would be solid (why avoid him if you/your promotor and/or manager think you could beat him).

GG's resume would look ok:

DUCKS: Sturm, Cotto, Conelo, Eubank Jn, Hassan N'Dam
AVOIDED: Martinez, Barker, Saunders, Sylvester, Quillin

Notable mention: Pirog (career ending injury), Jacobs (looking doubtful)

[BrometheusBob.]

Mr. ******ity, while you're certainly entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts. When a Ward/g string fight was a real possibility, team g string insisted upon a catch weight(164) Ward couldn't possibly make. This after accepting 168 for both Froch and Chavez Jr.Clear duck on team g strings part. After that Ward moved up to fight the #1 light heavyweight in the killer Kovalev and g string drug the #3 or 4 welterweight up not one but two weight classes for a fight. Even an idiot like you can figure out who's trying to fight quality opposition and who isn't.

As far as Canelo goes, I'll just say that 10 million dollars is one hell of an offer for a fighter with exactly ZERO quality wins.

BTW, how's that reporting me to the mods as an alt going? Keep me posted

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[AKAcronym]

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/04/10/ward-bute-froch

OK, what about Sergio Martinez?

"That fight interests me," Ward said. "I just don't know how far [in weight] I can get down. It's not easy to make 168 pounds but it's not extremely hard either. I don't know if I can make the right catch weight. But that's a fight fans clamor about."

Alright, so how low can you go?

"I'm not saying," Ward said with a laugh. "If I did, I would be negotiating against myself."

I'm in no way defending ggg and his team from how they've approached things because I have criticized them before, but it's statements like these from Ward that always made me question this fight

[Mr McDowell]

I wouldn't have ggg in my top 5 p4p. He would definately make the top 10 p4p doe.

[LoadedWraps]

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