Kov/SOG = success! GGG/Lemieux = flop!

[Scipio2009]

No **** he isn't a big draw! That's about where your trolling brain stops isn't it?

Let's take it a step further for you to understand. Ok?
First you need to know what relative means, because they are from different parts of the world, we're not comparing apples with apples.
Relative: Considered in relation or in proportion to something else.

In order to have a fan base, you need people or the population supporting you.

North America population - 300 mil
Mexico population - 120 mil
Philippines population - 100 mil
Kazakstan population - 20 mil

Going from these figures, we could times Golovkins ppv draw ×6 to get the apparent comparison if he were Mexican (still not accurate as boxing in mexico, states and philippines is bigger part of culture than kazakstan, who prefer playing a game with a goats carcass called kokpar).

I think it's a great effort on GG's part that he is selling out arenas after only 5 yrs, whilst a lot of those born and bred in the states struggle to do so.

C'mon Isaac, say something constructive about GG, i dare you!

If you are sitting here, openly arguing that Golovkin will never actually be a draw (due to him being of Kazakh origin), what grounds are there for Golovkin to turn down the $10m+ offer that is currently on the table to fight Saul Alvarez in September?

"selling out arenas" is a bit heavy handed, don't you think; 2 for $30 tickets to "sellout" MSG, having over 95% of the tickets coming in to back the Brit fighting the foreigner in the "sold out" O2 Arena, and staging the 17k-seat LA Forum for 11k fans and "selling out" the venue with 14k people is simply clever marketing.

Golovkin can fight; his amateur record and the fact that he's been able to knock off 36 opponents should make that obvious. The issue, though, is that, at the age of 34 years old, will still don't have any idea how good he can actually fight.

[Scipio2009]

This is true. The Canelo/Smith weigh in might as well been held in Mexico City with the number of Mexicans in the audience. Of course Canelo has a huge fan base. Although some of them are leaving the fold and holding him accountable for ducking a Golovkin fight. Well its actually not Canelo ducking, its Golden Boy ducking. I think Canelo wants the fight. Oscar offering a flat rate of 10M is a joke and proof they're ducking. Mayweather offered a flat rate of 40M to Manny who intelligently turned it down. He eventually made over 100M by pushing for a percentage. So....GGG will be a big part of the draw if the fight ever takes place. He deserves a percentage.

If Manny Pacquiao actually ended up making $100m on the Mayweather fight, he still wouldn't be having to take fights to "provide for his family".

Top Rank's share on the entire event (40% of the take on PPV, 25% of the tickets at the gate, the PI/Asian TV deals, their share of the event sponsors, etc) likely ended up being $110m-$125m, on an event that did significantly more than anyone had the confidence to project.

If you honestly think that Manny Pacquiao took home more money than Bob Arum, let alone talk of Pacquiao getting $100m of that (Pacquiao, known for excessively utilizing advances on his purse, travelled around with apparently a 300+ person entourage through the tail end of his camp and fight week), you're a fool.

And, just to make it clear, you're trying to argue that not having Kazakhs around to back Golovkin 1)makes what he's already accomplished marvelous, yet also 2)sets the stage for Golovkin to demand a share of the event, for the vast number of folks he's allegedly supposed to bring out. lol

[Rock&Roll]

If you are sitting here, openly arguing that Golovkin will never actually be a draw (due to him being of Kazakh origin), what grounds are there for Golovkin to turn down the $10m+ offer that is currently on the table to fight Saul Alvarez in September?

"selling out arenas" is a bit heavy handed, don't you think; 2 for $30 tickets to "sellout" MSG, having over 95% of the tickets coming in to back the Brit fighting the foreigner in the "sold out" O2 Arena, and staging the 17k-seat LA Forum for 11k fans and "selling out" the venue with 14k people is simply clever marketing.

Golovkin can fight; his amateur record and the fact that he's been able to knock off 36 opponents should make that obvious. The issue, though, is that, at the age of 34 years old, will still don't have any idea how good he can actually fight.

The grounds are: Golovkin has been ****ed around by golden boy left, right and centre.
To then say ok, i will take a flat fee and let you **** me up the arse a bit more is being weak and getting bullied.
Sure he is missing out on a solid paycheck, but he's not making money for golden boy either.
GG doesn't need Conela and visa versa... but everyone knows Conela ducked (AFTER he dishonorably, shamelessly, contemptibly, indignantly told him to his face he don't **** around), so pressure is on him to man up. GG is the man with 3 out of 4 trinkets at 160 and Conela ain't staying at 154 for much longer as he's heavy as ****. The golovkin avoidance diet must be tough to keep up.
http://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

[Graz]

If Manny Pacquiao actually ended up making $100m on the Mayweather fight, he still wouldn't be having to take fights to "provide for his family".

Top Rank's share on the entire event (40% of the take on PPV, 25% of the tickets at the gate, the PI/Asian TV deals, their share of the event sponsors, etc) likely ended up being $110m-$125m, on an event that did significantly more than anyone had the confidence to project.

If you honestly think that Manny Pacquiao took home more money than Bob Arum, let alone talk of Pacquiao getting $100m of that (Pacquiao, known for excessively utilizing advances on his purse, travelled around with apparently a 300+ person entourage through the tail end of his camp and fight week), you're a fool.

And, just to make it clear, you're trying to argue that not having Kazakhs around to back Golovkin 1)makes what he's already accomplished marvelous, yet also 2)sets the stage for Golovkin to demand a share of the event, for the vast number of folks he's allegedly supposed to bring out. lol

I didn't make that number up. I think the number was 140M. Look it up. The point is there is no reason for Golovkin to make that fight for a flat rate. Golden boy knew he wouldn't take it, that's why they offered it. Oscar is so full of it and just wants to protect the cash cow (Canelo) for as long as he can. And just so you're clear, Golovkin is the draw in that fight. He doesn't need his countrymen here to make him popular. Every boxing fan wants to see the entertainment he brings to the ring. If you don't think that's so then you are either blind or a fool yourself.

[IFightDirty]

Im pretty sure people were saying Ward/Kov wasn't a PPV draw when it was announced. Dont get me wrong its a PPV quality match up but doesnt mean it would do well on PPV. GGG/Lem wasn't even PPV quality. Either way both didnt do well because none of the fighters are PPV draws. GGG and Ward do well on the live gate but not on PPV. It is what it is.

[MelanKomas]

ward kovalev was such a **** card. Who in there right mind would pay for a single fight of that calibur LOL. Absolutely no build up, no structure on what's going to happen next.

Andre Ward is a master technician but he has the charisma of this guy

[Scipio2009]

The grounds are: Golovkin has been ****ed around by golden boy left, right and centre.
To then say ok, i will take a flat fee and let you **** me up the arse a bit more is being weak and getting bullied.
Sure he is missing out on a solid paycheck, but he's not making money for golden boy either.
GG doesn't need Conela and visa versa... but everyone knows Conela ducked (AFTER he dishonorably, shamelessly, contemptibly, indignantly told him to his face he don't **** around), so pressure is on him to man up. GG is the man with 3 out of 4 trinkets at 160 and Conela ain't staying at 154 for much longer as he's heavy as ****. The golovkin avoidance diet must be tough to keep up.
http://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez is supposedly fighting early next year, and will likely target Billy Joe Saunders (the WBO belt) or Miguel Cotto (for the rematch) in May.

Alvarez could literally say "**** Golovkin, if my offer isn't good enough, let him go elsewhere to get his money" and K2 would be royally ****ed.

There's nothing to step up to; Alvarez can get the WBO belt, and almost literally finance a fight with any middleweight on the planet, freezing whatever few options that Golovkin has even further.

Who is Golovkin actually going to fight in 2017? lol

[Scipio2009]

I didn't make that number up. I think the number was 140M. Look it up. The point is there is no reason for Golovkin to make that fight for a flat rate. Golden boy knew he wouldn't take it, that's why they offered it. Oscar is so full of it and just wants to protect the cash cow (Canelo) for as long as he can. And just so you're clear, Golovkin is the draw in that fight. He doesn't need his countrymen here to make him popular. Every boxing fan wants to see the entertainment he brings to the ring. If you don't think that's so then you are either blind or a fool yourself.

$460m on PPV (half to the distributors/HBO/Showtime, with Mayweather Promotions keeping 60% of the remaining balance), $72m at the gate (MGM Resorts got half of the tickets, with Mayweathe Promotions/Top Rank split the rest) and that's just the obvious stuff.

The full share may have ended up being $140m, but that total would still have needed to be split between Manny Pacquiao and Top Rank. The notion that Pacquiao got $100m is event sillier when you start actually looking at things.

Also, the fact that you're now arguing that Gennady Golovkin, the guy who couldn't sell 100k PPVs in his debut, is going to be the draw in a fight against Saul Alvarez, makes you look even more foolish

[Graz]

$460m on PPV (half to the distributors/HBO/Showtime, with Mayweather Promotions keeping 60% of the remaining balance), $72m at the gate (MGM Resorts got half of the tickets, with Mayweathe Promotions/Top Rank split the rest) and that's just the obvious stuff.

The full share may have ended up being $140m, but that total would still have needed to be split between Manny Pacquiao and Top Rank. The notion that Pacquiao got $100m is event sillier when you start actually looking at things.

Also, the fact that you're now arguing that Gennady Golovkin, the guy who couldn't sell 100k PPVs in his debut, is going to be the draw in a fight against Saul Alvarez, makes you look even more foolish

I realize that number may have been divided up amongst the ranks. The point is Golovkin would be foolish to accept a flat rate on a fight of this magnitude. Independently Canelo or Golovkin based on their opponents as of late don't garnish much excitement. But Canelo vs Golovkin will be huge. Can we at least agree on that? I'm no expert on what kind of numbers these fights would bring. Neither are you. Let's agree to disagree on who's the bigger draw. Fair enough?

[Scipio2009]

I realize that number may have been divided up amongst the ranks. The point is Golovkin would be foolish to accept a flat rate on a fight of this magnitude. Independently Canelo or Golovkin based on their opponents as of late don't garnish much excitement. But Canelo vs Golovkin will be huge. Can we at least agree on that? I'm no expert on what kind of numbers these fights would bring. Neither are you. Let's agree to disagree on who's the bigger draw. Fair enough?

Fair enough; I'm just pointing out that, without Alvarez, I don't see a matchup manifesting in the next 2-3 years that would earn Golovkin over the $3m-$4m that he got to fight on Matchroom's London card.

Alvarez is all of 26 years old, is about 1-2 years away from reaching his utter physical prime (likely 2-3 years away from getting into his peak drawing years), and is already clearing $15m+ per fight.

People get hung up on the "flat rate" point, but seem to forget that that would guarantee Golovkin $10m. With the economics of each guy being what they are, if Golovkin's camp were to really insist on taking a percentage, I don't see how they'd get more than 15% of the take (which, at the end of the day, likely wouldn't get them $10m anyway).