Kov/SOG = success! GGG/Lemieux = flop!

[OnePunch]

Ward-Kovalev did a reported $3.3m at the gate and another almost $11m on US PPV

Golovkin-Lemieux did an alleged $2m (no source other than Tom Loeffler has ever confirmed anything about the live event; the figure is likely inflated) and another $7.5m on PPV (if you actually believe what Loeffler has gone about telling to some in the press; actual number was likely closer to $6m, if that)

and that's without any mention of the international TV money or the event sponsorships.

Kovalev-Ward likely ends up bringing in double what Golovkin-Lemieux brought in, so to sit and try to call the events equal is ****ing foolish.

wow, so a top level matchup between an undefeated champion and an undefeated gold medal winner, a matchup that has been in the works for over a year, did marginally better than a matchup between an undefeated Kazakh and a canadian that 95% of fans never heard of?

Im stunned..............

[SplitSecond]

Lol Isaac trolls a lot but there is so much truth in this.... you can't give Golovkin credit for the Brook PPV and not do the same for Canelo against Floyd, Cotto and Khan. What's good for Golovkin is good for Canelo.

You're actually letting him sway you with his nonsense, when did I say mention anything to the contrary? He just makes sht up. Obviously the matchup was what sold the fight not any individual. Obviously Canelo, did his part, and obviously Mayweather did his part, but those aren't Canelo's ****ing numbers.

The way to get as close as possible to the individuals real numbers is vs unknown opposition. Canelo's is showing to be around 300. Pacquiao & Mayweather somewhere near 1 mil since they sold about 1mil vs Bradley, Mayweather 1mil vs Guerrero.

[NaijaD]

You forgot to mention that despite similar PPV numbers, the purses were half of Kovalev/Ward. All the idiots were so adamant about that PPV being a 'disaster', because they couldn't do basic math.

Yeah without the inflated purses the PPV would have been alright on the financial side.

The other thing to note is the Kovalev Ward PPV was for the good of the sport, one of the best matches that could have been made. No one was really bragging about either fighter's star potential, we just hoped it did well so it could at least prove that fans will pony up if the best fight the best.

The Golovkin Lemieux PPV was all about GGG's star potential, it wasn't a great matchup. It was supposed to prove he could go some way to filling the void left by Pacs diminishing numbers. I didn't think it would do too bad cause I thought the casuals would eat up the whole "2 big punching champs going at it" but they didn't. Remember Barchams final meltdown over the numbers?? ..... remember onepunch saying he didn't trust the 150k originally reported by Floydhype while insisting on waiting for the eventual 97k reported by Rick "you've been Glased" Glaser. I think the Golovkin fans were more invested and boastful about PPV numbers hence the ridicule.

That's how I see it, although in hindsight 150k against Lemieux isn't so bad in what myself and many perceived as a blatant mismatch. If he can do 150k against Jacobs that would be good in my opinion.

[j0zef]

Yeah without the inflated purses the PPV would have been alright on the financial side.

The other thing to note is the Kovalev Ward PPV was for the good of the sport, one of the best matches that could have been made. No one was really bragging about either fighter's star potential, we just hoped it did well so it could at least prove that fans will pony up if the best fight the best.

The Golovkin Lemieux PPV was all about GGG's star potential, it wasn't a great matchup. It was supposed to prove he could go some way to filling the void left by Pacs diminishing numbers. I didn't think it would do too bad cause I thought the casuals would eat up the whole "2 big punching champs going at it" but they didn't. Remember Barchams final meltdown over the numbers?? ..... remember onepunch saying he didn't trust the 150k originally reported by Floydhype while insisting on waiting for the eventual 97k reported by Rick "you've been Glased" Glaser. I think the Golovkin fans were more invested and boastful about PPV numbers hence the ridicule.

That's how I see it, although in hindsight 150k against Lemieux isn't so bad in what myself and many perceived as a blatant mismatch. If he can do 150k against Jacobs that would be good in my opinion.

I disagree with a lot of what you're saying, mostly about GGG/Lemieux PPV. It was never expected to fill a void left by Mayweather and Pacquaio. Even the most bullish projections given by the promoter at one time or another (Loeffler) were 250k buys. Everything else he said was between 150k-200k.

In an article published by SportsIllustrated prior to the fight, the line read:

The hope is that a strong showing (150,000 buys is considered good; anything over 200,000 is a smash) will generate the financial incentive needed to entice the biggest names in the division (Miguel Cotto and Saul Alvarez, specifically) into the ring. Says Loeffler, "

As for casuals 'going for it', I think they did, but people's expectations are still in the million PPV buys range it was after May/Pac. Casuals didn't go for Crawford/Postol, which got ~60-70k PPV buys at lower price. Even Canelo/Cotto, which had 2 uber popular fighters from rival backgrounds and with probably ~40-50m of combined purses did not reach a million PPV buys.

The purses for the fighters and lack of PPV portion on top of purses also give you a hint in what the execs were expecting. These are intelligent people with decades of business experience. They're much more knowledgeable than everyone on NSB put together.

I also think that calling Golovkin/Lemieux a mismatch is absolutely wrong. They were, and still are, Top 5 fighters in the same division. I personally believe that Jacobs has absolutely nothing over Lemieux. If they end up putting Jacobs/GGG on PPV, I think that event will do less than or about the same as 150k and Jacobs will lose sooner. A year after that, he'll also be called a bum and the fight will be referred to as a mismatch.

[just the facts]

The Golovkin Jacobs fight won't flop. It will be similar to GGG-Lemieux and Kovalev-Ward. The only difference is that the purses will be a bit lower than Kovalev-Ward.

It will sell something between 100 and 200k probably.

Yet again you fail to acknowledge that Golovkin "is no draw" but yet he's in the biggest fight in boxing. You can't be "no draw" and at the same time be in conversation for a 1 million PPV buys fight.

Ward just fought his biggest rival and sold 150k... you have nothing. You're a double faced ****** troll.

not a chance in hell g string/Canelo does 1 million buys. 600k tops and that's because of what Canelo brings to the table

[BattlingNelson]

Ward-Kovalev did a reported $3.3m at the gate and another almost $11m on US PPV

Golovkin-Lemieux did an alleged $2m (no source other than Tom Loeffler has ever confirmed anything about the live event; the figure is likely inflated) and another $7.5m on PPV (if you actually believe what Loeffler has gone about telling to some in the press; actual number was likely closer to $6m, if that)

and that's without any mention of the international TV money or the event sponsorships.

Kovalev-Ward likely ends up bringing in double what Golovkin-Lemieux brought in, so to sit and try to call the events equal is ****ing foolish.

Is that including the Canadian PPV?

[Rock&Roll]

We'll be calling him it again when the Jacobs PPV flops. Golovkin isn't a big draw.

No **** he isn't a big draw! That's about where your trolling brain stops isn't it?

Let's take it a step further for you to understand. Ok?
First you need to know what relative means, because they are from different parts of the world, we're not comparing apples with apples.
Relative: Considered in relation or in proportion to something else.

In order to have a fan base, you need people or the population supporting you.

North America population - 300 mil
Mexico population - 120 mil
Philippines population - 100 mil
Kazakstan population - 20 mil

Going from these figures, we could times Golovkins ppv draw ×6 to get the apparent comparison if he were Mexican (still not accurate as boxing in mexico, states and philippines is bigger part of culture than kazakstan, who prefer playing a game with a goats carcass called kokpar).

I think it's a great effort on GG's part that he is selling out arenas after only 5 yrs, whilst a lot of those born and bred in the states struggle to do so.

C'mon Isaac, say something constructive about GG, i dare you!

[NaijaD]

I disagree with a lot of what you're saying, mostly about GGG/Lemieux PPV. It was never expected to fill a void left by Mayweather and Pacquaio. Even the most bullish projections given by the promoter at one time or another (Loeffler) were 250k buys. Everything else he said was between 150k-200k.

In an article published by SportsIllustrated prior to the fight, the line read:

As for casuals 'going for it', I think they did, but people's expectations are still in the million PPV buys range it was after May/Pac. Casuals didn't go for Crawford/Postol, which got ~60-70k PPV buys at lower price. Even Canelo/Cotto, which had 2 uber popular fighters from rival backgrounds and with probably ~40-50m of combined purses did not reach a million PPV buys.

The purses for the fighters and lack of PPV portion on top of purses also give you a hint in what the execs were expecting. These are intelligent people with decades of business experience. They're much more knowledgeable than everyone on NSB put together.

I also think that calling Golovkin/Lemieux a mismatch is absolutely wrong. They were, and still are, Top 5 fighters in the same division. I personally believe that Jacobs has absolutely nothing over Lemieux. If they end up putting Jacobs/GGG on PPV, I think that event will do less than or about the same as 150k and Jacobs will lose sooner. A year after that, he'll also be called a bum and the fight will be referred to as a mismatch.

I'm going by what the NSB people said, they had much higher expectations than the promoters. Most of the predictions were in excess of 250k. That's the reason why 150k was seen as a flop, obviously not all GGG fans are as level headed as you otherwise there wouldn't have been any ridicule. Golovkin obviously can't replace May or Pac but come on HBO were hoping him and Canelo could soften the blow of their departure.

Maybe blatant mismatch is harsh but that was my perception of it, when one fighter has no advantages over the other then I view it as that. Lemieux is not a bum but I never thought he was very good and he's dragging his feet about getting in with a live body, he looked awful against that no name guy he fought.

Jacobs is less of a mismatch, in fact it's not a mismatch in my opinion (because Jacobs has 1 or 2 advantages) but I've been on record already saying there's no way Jacobs wins that fight, he's packing fine china and that simply won't bode well against the hardest puncher in the sport. Even if he had Mayweather level defence, at some point he would still get caught. Golovkin, at the very least, boxes well enough to find the target a couple times each round and when he does Jacobs will unravel and eventually be counted out.

[NYC8224]

Maybe lower the prices of PPV. Stop charging people $60-$70 to see 2 guys spar for 12 rounds. Best fights are free imo. Thurman-Porter, Easter-Commey, two good fights that were seen on regular TV. Who wants to pay $60 to see MW Canelo fight a small guy? Or GGG overpower somebody? Thats the problem, not the ****ing fighters

[Graz]

No **** he isn't a big draw! That's about where your trolling brain stops isn't it?

Let's take it a step further for you to understand. Ok?
First you need to know what relative means, because they are from different parts of the world, we're not comparing apples with apples.
Relative: Considered in relation or in proportion to something else.

In order to have a fan base, you need people or the population supporting you.

North America population - 300 mil
Mexico population - 120 mil
Philippines population - 100 mil
Kazakstan population - 20 mil

Going from these figures, we could times Golovkins ppv draw ×6 to get the apparent comparison if he were Mexican (still not accurate as boxing in mexico, states and philippines is bigger part of culture than kazakstan, who prefer playing a game with a goats carcass called kokpar).

I think it's a great effort on GG's part that he is selling out arenas after only 5 yrs, whilst a lot of those born and bred in the states struggle to do so.

This is true. The Canelo/Smith weigh in might as well been held in Mexico City with the number of Mexicans in the audience. Of course Canelo has a huge fan base. Although some of them are leaving the fold and holding him accountable for ducking a Golovkin fight. Well its actually not Canelo ducking, its Golden Boy ducking. I think Canelo wants the fight. Oscar offering a flat rate of 10M is a joke and proof they're ducking. Mayweather offered a flat rate of 40M to Manny who intelligently turned it down. He eventually made over 100M by pushing for a percentage. So....GGG will be a big part of the draw if the fight ever takes place. He deserves a percentage.