Most people here really DKSAB

[Mr. Objectivity]

Yeah ****ing right lol. If you were watching boxing since then you would know Ali was being called "old" at 30 years old. You would now Ray Mancini once said "at 28 you're a young man but you're an old fighter."

Don't try and lie like you've been watching boxing for decades without knowing those things.

yaaawn....its not a univeral rule son. it depends on a fighters style, number of wars, number of retirements, number of cherry picking.

Are you really this ******?

Ive been an objective boxing fan for years, i know more ATG boxers, boxing fights...i know my history you posers make me sick, pretending/posing like you know anything. Go educate yourself before spewing lies , stop embarassing yourself son.

[Johnwoo8686]

yaaawn....its not a univeral rule son. it depends on a fighters style, number of wars, number of retirements, number of cherry picking.

Are you really this ******?

Ive been an objective boxing fan for years, i know more ATG boxers, boxing fights...i know my history you posers make me sick, pretending/posing like you know anything. Go educate yourself before spewing lies , stop embarassing yourself son.

Number of wars my ass. You could be the most well preserved 35 year old but you wont be able to compete with many 25 year olds. Pernell Whitaker was a defensive wizard who was done by his early 30s while Evander Holyfield was in several wars and fought until his late 40s.

Your ignorant ass doesn't even know once fighters reach 35 they need to have a physical before EVERY fight. Why is the sanctioned for all fighters no mater what if it depends on "a number of things?"

[Madison Boxing]

Reading those Paulie vs Conor threads prove it. Paulie would stop this guy. Boxing is 3 minutes of constant moving with your hands up at all times for 12 rds with 8oz gloves, not 4oz. Conor wouldn't be able to last that long.

And other than the stamina issue there's the skill issue. I don't think most of you understand what you're watching. Boxing isn't just throwing punches and trying to land the hardest punch. You have to set traps. Every punch isn't thrown with the intention to hurt or even land. Paulie's boxing IQ is light years ahead of Conors. Connor would need an absolutely lucky perfect punch to beat Paulie and Paulie is to smart to allow that to happen and Conor isn't smart enough to set him up for it to happen. There are levels to this.

Paulie made a great point today about stamina. It brings out the coward in men. In the first Diaz fight when Conor was fatigued he gave up and tapped out.

I'm sorry but if you think Conor could beat Paulie YDKSAB!!!

you are correct although i doubt paulie stops him

[Mr. Objectivity]

Number of wars my ass. You could be the most well preserved 35 year old but you wont be able to compete with many 25 year olds. Pernell Whitaker was a defensive wizard who was done by his early 30s while Evander Holyfield was in several wars and fought until his late 40s.

Your ignorant ass doesn't even know once fighters reach 35 they need to have a physical before EVERY fight. Why is the sanctioned for all fighters no mater what if it depends on "a number of things?"

you've just been exposed son.
never quote/debate me again with your ignorant/ poser lil brain. Know your place you dumb floyd fan.

[Madison Boxing]

Athletic prime and developmental prime are two different things. Testosterone levels peak at 25 and slowly drop after that age and drastically decline after 30 in men. Notice how Tyson was better at 22 than he was at 29? Same with Ali, Leonard, and De La Hoya. All better in their early 20s than in their late 20s.

Since Pacquiao had his "new prime" at 30 and suddenly started blasting through bigger men uneducated boxing fans began to think that was normal when it really isn't normal at all.

what the hell are you on about lol, in most sports requiring skill in addition to athleticism a 'prime' is considered late twenties, very early 30's. Definitely not 23 lol. Testosterone levels dip very slightly and slowly around 30, they dont plummet lol, and doubt it dips enough to have a significant physiological effect. Youre completely overlooking how important experience is, and around the age of 30 you still have your physical gifts but you have a lot more experience and knowledge. It can be different for some fighters, but thats the general rule.

[Johnwoo8686]

what the hell are you on about lol, in most sports requiring skill in addition to athleticism a 'prime' is considered late twenties, very early 30's. Definitely not 23 lol. Testosterone levels dip very slightly and slowly around 30, they dont plummet lol, and doubt it dips enough to have a significant physiological effect. Youre completely overlooking how important experience is, and around the age of 30 you still have your physical gifts but you have a lot more experience and knowledge. It can be different for some fighters, but thats the general rule.

Experience is definitely a factor. Jordan was a more intelligent basketball player in his early 30s but he was nowhere near as sharp or as quick as he was in his early 20s.

I gave previous examples. Was Tyson better at 30 or at 23? Was Ali better at 30 or at 23? Was Leonard better at 30 or at 23?

The only legendary boxer was better in their 30s than they were in their 20s was Pacquiao and basically that started controversy.

[Johnwoo8686]

you've just been exposed son.
never quote/debate me again with your ignorant/ poser lil brain. Know your place you dumb floyd fan.

NO comeback. Case in point noob. LOL

[NaijaD]

Experience is definitely a factor. Jordan was a more intelligent basketball player in his early 30s but he was nowhere near as sharp or as quick as he was in his early 20s.

I gave previous examples. Was Tyson better at 30 or at 23? Was Ali better at 30 or at 23? Was Leonard better at 30 or at 23?

The only legendary boxer was better in their 30s than they were in their 20s was Pacquiao and basically that started controversy.

I always thought a fighters prime is their mid to late 20s but fighters used to turn pro a lot earlier in previous decades where as now a lot of fighters turn pro later and so appear to be in their primes in their early 30s. Guys like Golovkin and Kovalev will have their primes listed at 32/33 but fighters like Tyson, Leonard and Ali that started in their teens will have their primes listed before they were 25.

[SplitSecond]

I always thought a fighters prime is their mid to late 20s but fighters used to turn pro a lot earlier in previous decades where as now a lot of fighters turn pro later and so appear to be in their primes in their early 30s. Guys like Golovkin and Kovalev will have their primes listed at 32/33 but fighters like Tyson, Leonard and Ali that started in their teens will have their primes listed before they were 25.

Interestingly, Duran was considered to be in his prime in his late 20's too, specifically 29-30 (when he faced Leonard at welterweight), but then he let himself go and started jumping even more weight classes. Seems more like the money/comfort ruined him than age. I bring this up because he started young, but lasted fairly long.

Also Leonard missed a lot of what could have been his prime years, he was like 25 vs Hearns and then he became very inactive. I mean, how past prime are you at 30 when you can come back to beat a guy like Hagler in your first fight after 3 years out of the sport? I'm sure he'd have been even sharper if he weren't coming off a layoff.

[Canelo and GGG]

NO comeback. Case in point noob. LOL

For **** sake man,Tyson was takeing drugs and was inprison for years,didnt train properly,Whitaker was Coco addict ,ODLH was part time boxer at early 30s and also drug addict,sugar ray another drug addict at that time.

From what i know Canelo work ethic is good and his entering his prime now,and 160 will be best weight for him so far(no cutting)

25+ is prime,how long it will last depends on expiriance and wars and life style