Why Rigondeaux can defeat Lomachenko

[Redd Foxx]

Thing is, Rigo can crack and he's certainly fast enough to catch Loma. I think it comes down to Rigo being busy enough (a big issue) and Loma's chin being strong enough.

Would be stunning to watch. Would look like 7 Deadly Venoms.

[pesticid]

Do you make threads in boxingforum-24?
I swear i've seen all these threads there in the last hour.
But the guy there is dumbass, who can't stand a person saying something negative about a cuban, so i doubt is you, but it seems funny that both threads appeared nearly at the same time.
Regarding the thread itself, Russell might be worse than Selimov but he is not necessarily worse than Concencaio and Toledo, by the way, those fights (against Concenciao and Toledo) took place at lightweight, where Loma was a really undersized guy, because the featherweight division was eliminated in amateur boxing. Look at Gamboa for example, he was an amateur featherweight, but he looked undersized at lightweight despite being only a few weights up.
In the case of Rigondeaux, i think is unfair to say that he never went close in the amateurs considering that there is no footage of Rigo losses, and also that he faced at a lower level of talent, imo the best fighters that Rigo faced at the amateurs were Bekzat, the guys he faced in cuba, Kovalev and the future pro champs, but Loma faced Selimov, Concenciao, Toledo, Selby, Fazzlidin, Verdejo, Valdez, etc...
The fight itself is good, i think it depends of many factors, Rigo performs at the pace of his opponent, that's why they don't throw at him, cause he packs power, but i think that if Rigo steps on the gas, he can win cause Loma isn't as good on the backfoot.

I didn't know about the other forum. You're right Loma is not as good on his back foot but Rigo will not be pressing him.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Boxing histor proves a great lil fighter always lose to the great bigger fighter.

[Redd Foxx]

I think Rigo might be smaller than Garry Russell Jr actually. Rigo is very small. Loma may not be that big either but he is very strong.

Yea, Rigo is really small. And, I'm surprised at how big Loma looked against Martinez and Walters. I expected him to be size disadvantaged but it wasn't really the case. He's not long but he is thick (no ****).

[cork]

I am a big fan of both fighters, a bigger fan of Rigondeaux obviously. They are both tremendous talents and at this moment it would be foolish to not make Loma a favourite over Rigo. The reasons are very simple, Rigo has been inactive, he's small and he's old especially for his weight.

Rigo was pretty active prior to defeating Donaire and right now we really don't know what type of fighter Rigo is because we haven't seen him fight anybody that is good or close enough to Loma's level.

However, what if Rigo is still the same fighter that beat Donaire?

I believe Loma just like Rigondeaux has faced tougher opposition in the amateur ranks than he has faced as a pro. For example, I don't think Garry Russell Jr., Walters and Salido are better fighters than Selimov, Toledo and Conceicao. As a matter of fact they are not even close to their talent level.

Now he's had close fights with all three of them: Selimov, Yasnier Toledo and Conceicao.

Selimov's beat him before, you can say, well Loma was just coming on to the scene so he wasn't ready, which is true. Selimov lost a decision in a 5 rounder against Lomachenko under World Series Boxing that you could've scored for Selimov. That was the last time they faced each other.

Loma's beat the Cuban Yasnier Toledo twice. The second time around the Cuban landed the cleaner, harder shots and more of them and Loma was holding on in the third round feeling the pace. I think Yasniel should've won that fight but hey it was a close fight.

Loma beat Conceicao with a close fight where the decision was given originally to the Brazilian only to be overturned and given back to Loma. I thought Loma was the rightful winner and the clear winner as well, but he got hit a lot.

My point is that Loma has had close fights in his amateur career. Rigondeaux hasn't. Nobody has come even close.

Yasnier Toledo is an excellent Cuban fighter but he is not Rigondeaux, neither are Salimov and Conceicao. They are at least a level or 2 below Rigondeaux, in terms of pure natural talent, athleticism, skills and boxing IQ.

Now the people that think Loma is going to set up a pace on Rigo, crowd him and beat him with his strength down the stretch might be wrong.

If Loma couldn't do that with Russell, took him 5,6 rounds to start crowding Martinez, there is no way that will work against Rigo. And fighters don't just run in on Rigo. There is a reason you can't run in on Rigo.

The same way Loma decided to stop running in on Toledo in the 2012 Olympics semifinal is the same way he will stop running in on Rigo who is much more accurate and precise. Besides, Loma doesn't run in on opponents that early in fights as he did in the amateurs.

Loma's big advantage is footwork from the southpaw stance. That advantage against Rigo is no more. Rigo's got the better footwork and Rigo himself is a southpaw.
Loma relies on Speed. Rigo is faster. Loma uses high guard where he exposes his torso and that's where he's been most vulnerable both as an amateur and as a professional and Rigo is a viscous body puncher.

The advantages that Loma has right now over Rigo are: size, strength, youth, physical condition and timing.

Will they be enough against Rigo?

Love how you break this down and I dont agree with your assessment. Don't think rigo have better footwork or faster than Loma. Even if it's better(won't know until we see them in the ring together) Loma two weight class above him talking about moving up another one while rigo always talk about how small he is at 122. It's not a match I'm interested in until rigo decide to go up to 126 and see how he fares at 126.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Do you make threads in boxingforum-24?
I swear i've seen all these threads there in the last hour.
But the guy there is dumbass, who can't stand a person saying something negative about a cuban, so i doubt is you, but it seems funny that both threads appeared nearly at the same time.
Regarding the thread itself, Russell might be worse than Selimov but he is not necessarily worse than Concencaio and Toledo, by the way, those fights (against Concenciao and Toledo) took place at lightweight, where Loma was a really undersized guy, because the featherweight division was eliminated in amateur boxing. Look at Gamboa for example, he was an amateur featherweight, but he looked undersized at lightweight despite being only a few weights up.
In the case of Rigondeaux, i think is unfair to say that he never went close in the amateurs considering that there is no footage of Rigo losses, and also that he faced at a lower level of talent, imo the best fighters that Rigo faced at the amateurs were Bekzat, the guys he faced in cuba, Kovalev and the future pro champs, but Loma faced Selimov, Concenciao, Toledo, Selby, Fazzlidin, Verdejo, Valdez, etc...
The fight itself is good, i think it depends of many factors, Rigo performs at the pace of his opponent, that's why they don't throw at him, cause he packs power, but i think that if Rigo steps on the gas, he can win cause Loma isn't as good on the backfoot.

That's what I was thinking as well. He never had any close fights? How can you be sure?

I think the fight just needs to be made. I don't know who to bet on, but if forced, I'll go with Loma.

[#1Assassin]

rigo is too small. he is small even for 122, i cant recall him ever being the bigger fighter in the ring. loma would have to go down to 122 or maybe do a catchweight in order for the fight to happen. im usually against catchweights but i would make an exception for this one.

unfortunately i dont think its in the cards though, at least for it to be the matchup we want it to be. even if you get past the size difference rigo is really old for such a small fighter and considering how inactive he has been he will need a tune up imo, after which he will be even older.

i just think loma would win and it wouldnt prove much given all the advantages he hold in size, age and activity.

rather see frampton or quigg grow a pair and take that cuban ass whoppin' like men while loma avenges his loss to salido and proceeds to school all kinds of mother****ers. would love to see him fight linares at 135 in particular.