Why Rigondeaux can defeat Lomachenko

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  • pesticid
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    Why Rigondeaux can defeat Lomachenko

    I am a big fan of both fighters, a bigger fan of Rigondeaux obviously. They are both tremendous talents and at this moment it would be foolish to not make Loma a favourite over Rigo. The reasons are very simple, Rigo has been inactive, he's small and he's old especially for his weight.

    Rigo was pretty active prior to defeating Donaire and right now we really don't know what type of fighter Rigo is because we haven't seen him fight anybody that is good or close enough to Loma's level.

    However, what if Rigo is still the same fighter that beat Donaire?

    I believe Loma just like Rigondeaux has faced tougher opposition in the amateur ranks than he has faced as a pro. For example, I don't think Garry Russell Jr., Walters and Salido are better fighters than Selimov, Toledo and Conceicao. As a matter of fact they are not even close to their talent level.

    Now he's had close fights with all three of them: Selimov, Yasnier Toledo and Conceicao.

    Selimov's beat him before, you can say, well Loma was just coming on to the scene so he wasn't ready, which is true. Selimov lost a decision in a 5 rounder against Lomachenko under World Series Boxing that you could've scored for Selimov. That was the last time they faced each other.

    Loma's beat the Cuban Yasnier Toledo twice. The second time around the Cuban landed the cleaner, harder shots and more of them and Loma was holding on in the third round feeling the pace. I think Yasniel should've won that fight but hey it was a close fight.

    Loma beat Conceicao with a close fight where the decision was given originally to the Brazilian only to be overturned and given back to Loma. I thought Loma was the rightful winner and the clear winner as well, but he got hit a lot.

    My point is that Loma has had close fights in his amateur career. Rigondeaux hasn't. Nobody has come even close.

    Yasnier Toledo is an excellent Cuban fighter but he is not Rigondeaux, neither are Salimov and Conceicao. They are at least a level or 2 below Rigondeaux, in terms of pure natural talent, athleticism, skills and boxing IQ.

    Now the people that think Loma is going to set up a pace on Rigo, crowd him and beat him with his strength down the stretch might be wrong.

    If Loma couldn't do that with Russell, took him 5,6 rounds to start crowding Martinez, there is no way that will work against Rigo. And fighters don't just run in on Rigo. There is a reason you can't run in on Rigo.

    The same way Loma decided to stop running in on Toledo in the 2012 Olympics semifinal is the same way he will stop running in on Rigo who is much more accurate and precise. Besides, Loma doesn't run in on opponents that early in fights as he did in the amateurs.

    Loma's big advantage is footwork from the southpaw stance. That advantage against Rigo is no more. Rigo's got the better footwork and Rigo himself is a southpaw.
    Loma relies on Speed. Rigo is faster. Loma uses high guard where he exposes his torso and that's where he's been most vulnerable both as an amateur and as a professional and Rigo is a viscous body puncher.

    The advantages that Loma has right now over Rigo are: size, strength, youth, physical condition and timing.

    Will they be enough against Rigo?
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    #2
    at what weight doe?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Sterling Archer
      at what weight doe?
      If you make Rigondeaux go up to 130 pounds he will no longer be the same Rigondeaux. He will be slower and more sluggish.

      At 126 neither fighter is giving up much.

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        #4
        He truly can, but he can also lose to the bigger skilled fighter. This is a dream matchup

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          #5
          Originally posted by pesticid
          If you make Rigondeaux go up to 130 pounds he will no longer be the same Rigondeaux. He will be slower and more sluggish.

          At 126 neither fighter is giving up much.
          he doesnt have to weigh in at 130. fight could still be there...

          its also unfair to get a guy who just moved up in weight recently to move down.

          if anything, rigo needs to placate loma if this fight ever happens which it wont because arum sees ppv money in loma which means rigo fight will never happen....

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            #6
            Originally posted by Sterling Archer
            he doesnt have to weigh in at 130. fight could still be there...

            its also unfair to get a guy who just moved up in weight recently to move down.

            if anything, rigo needs to placate loma if this fight ever happens which it wont because arum sees ppv money in loma which means rigo fight will never happen....
            Not really because Loma can easily make 126. He didn't go up in weight because he was struggling with the weight.

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              I understand Rigo is small but Loma is not that big. Look when he fought against Toledo he looked so small. When he fought at 132 in the amateurs and WSB he was smaller then all his opponents, some of them looked much bigger and taller. Which is funny when people want Loma to move and fight guys like Crawford.

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                #8
                Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
                I understand Rigo is small but Loma is not that big. Look when he fought against Toledo he looked so small. When he fought at 132 in the amateurs and WSB he was smaller then all his opponents, some of them looked much bigger and taller. Which is funny when people want Loma to move and fight guys like Crawford.
                I think Rigo might be smaller than Garry Russell Jr actually. Rigo is very small. Loma may not be that big either but he is very strong.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pesticid
                  I think Rigo might be smaller than Garry Russell Jr actually. Rigo is very small. Loma may not be that big either but he is very strong.
                  I agree with how strong he is, even though he looked smaller when fought he looked much more explosive then his opponents.

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                  • yngwie
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                    #10
                    Do you make threads in boxingforum-24?
                    I swear i've seen all these threads there in the last hour.
                    But the guy there is dumbass, who can't stand a person saying something negative about a cuban, so i doubt is you, but it seems funny that both threads appeared nearly at the same time.
                    Regarding the thread itself, Russell might be worse than Selimov but he is not necessarily worse than Concencaio and Toledo, by the way, those fights (against Concenciao and Toledo) took place at lightweight, where Loma was a really undersized guy, because the featherweight division was eliminated in amateur boxing. Look at Gamboa for example, he was an amateur featherweight, but he looked undersized at lightweight despite being only a few weights up.
                    In the case of Rigondeaux, i think is unfair to say that he never went close in the amateurs considering that there is no footage of Rigo losses, and also that he faced at a lower level of talent, imo the best fighters that Rigo faced at the amateurs were Bekzat, the guys he faced in cuba, Kovalev and the future pro champs, but Loma faced Selimov, Concenciao, Toledo, Selby, Fazzlidin, Verdejo, Valdez, etc...
                    The fight itself is good, i think it depends of many factors, Rigo performs at the pace of his opponent, that's why they don't throw at him, cause he packs power, but i think that if Rigo steps on the gas, he can win cause Loma isn't as good on the backfoot.

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