Is Andre Ward the last completely clean elite fighter in the sport?

[KingHippo]

The last clean fighter?
How did you come to that conclusion? If that's an assumption because there isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise, shouldn't the same be applied to anyone else that hasn't failed a test? Ward had been asked to do VADA testing, he said countless times he'll take it and never did - not until he came back from an extended break from boxing. If that was, dare I say Manny, Floyd's transitioned Ward fanbase would say the break was to clear his system. So when Ward did come back, and he did finally do VADA testing, he looks slower, couldn't even hurt Brand, and evidently can't get down to 168 anymore. I'm just saying, these strange ass assumptions don't make any sense to me, just judge every one the same.

I judge whether a fighter is natural by his build and performances.

[Mr. Objectivity]

Nope. Golovkin is clean.
Lomachenko is clean.
Crawford is clean.

[Citizen Koba]

I judge whether a fighter is natural by his build and performances.

Absolutely. These are the only ways you can tell for sure. Fuck VADA, they DKSAB.

[SplitSecond]

Nope. Golovkin is clean.
Lomachenko is clean.
Crawford is clean.

Thurman seems clean to me too. But people assume anyone with punching power is juicing (think PEDerson). Walters to me looks to take some weight loss drug, but not hard steroids/gear.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Anybody using the corrupt UKAD.

[1g5a22]

What makes you assume Ward is cleaner than everyone else & since when did you have a monopoly on who is clean & who isn't?

[1g5a22]

I judge whether a fighter is natural by his build and performances.

Botha:



Toney:



Mayorga:



You are clearly using unreliable & flawed criteria. Clown.

[KingHippo]

Botha:



Toney:



Mayorga:



You are clearly using unreliable & flawed criteria. Clown.

Toney and Botha were old and is that Ricardo Mayorga? What the **** happened to his face?!?!?!!

[Golden Boi 360]

Mayorga:



You are clearly using unreliable & flawed criteria. Clown.

c'mon man. confusing mayorga with vargas lol

[mlac]

yeah because using victor conte a known drug cheat is not su****ious at all, therefore concluding he is definitely clean based on nothing apart from ' looking at his body ' is definitely flawless logic from a fantastic poster

great thread.