Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: We Never Rejected 168 For Andre Ward!

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these guys are nowhere near the same size

168 or whatever would just be at the scales, golovkin is on the smaller side for a mw and pushing middle age, people are delusional thinking he needs to move up

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Im not the biggest Ward fan, but there is no way in hell that someone will convince me that Ward moved up to face Kovalev in his third fight, but he was afraid to face a smaller middleweight moving up to face him at 168

I don't think he is afraid, but I don't think he was serious. Lil-g, lil-Floyd. Silly nicknames. Offers timed to fail.

I don't think he was serious about the fight, in that he timed it to be turned down. He had to know it would be. I would have if I were K2, GGG had too much on tap--Lemiuex, Lee, Canelo as possible unification.

And why is Ward saying it happened this year? Why lie about that, makes no sense. And to say they said maybe 2018. That didn't happened, thus entire thing played out in 2015.

Ward has significant size advantage on ggg. Much more than ggg had on Brook, who didn't look like a WW. I just don't get Ward's positioning here. He knows it didn't happen in 2016, he knows it was before ggg fought Lemiuex.

The irony for me, k2 has never denied turning him down, nor denied saying they had plans through 2016. Far as I know, they never told Ward it had to be under 168 (despite statements made months before the offer in the press, which when it comes to the press, managers say all kinds of things, can't be taken too seriously).

And now he wants ggg to come up to 175, fine. But he publically says no concessions. How's that going to make the fight. He isn't half as popular as GGG. Why would he think k2 is going to negotiate a possible 175 fight with him f he won't budge on anything? It's designed to fail.

[aboutfkntime]

Im not the biggest Ward fan, but there is no way in hell that someone will convince me that Ward moved up to face Kovalev in his third fight, but he was afraid to face a smaller middleweight moving up to face him at 168

this place is riddled with " fans " who think like that

or, do they ?

they sure as hell like saying it

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Loeffler should never let the name Andre Ward leave his mouth. Tom looks like a clown everytime he does

It's been clear as day for the last couple years Loeffler would rather catch Cancer then Have Gennady fight Ward.

Since they turned down the Ward fight K2 has had Gennady wait for Canelo/Cotto which hasn't and might not materialize and has fought Lemiuex,Monroe,Wade,Brook and hasn't taken any risks ( His completion level has actually gotten worse from the First 2 years he debuted on HBo ) talk about wasting 2 years of a old fighters career. Instead of just trying to make a fight with Ward which would have gaurenteed a decent PPV , probably his highest purse, a legitimate claim at P4P #1 they choose to beat down on a paper titlist, 2 nobodies and unproven WW

While Ward stepped up in weight and fought the #1 threat in Kov.

Garenteed ppv success, why. Ward v Kov just did 150k. Can't see Ward v ggg doing that much better right now.

Ward purposely sent that email at a time he knew it'd fail. A blind man could see at that time they'd turn it down--they had too much opportunity brewing to get bogged down with Ward.

And they were smart to turn down Ward. GGG will likely end up with three unification titles, and likely Canelo. None of that but Lemiuex would have manafested.

And Ward is hard to deal with, he says no concessions. Kov had gotten the raw end of that deal to make that fight. He was champ, but Ward got paid twice as much.

Ward would have demanded fight be in the United States, because even when you can get him out of California, you can't get him on neutral ground.

In hindsight, GGG would never get a fair shake fighting America last boxing Olympian gold medalist.

And into the future, Ward is making it clear he likely wants nothing to do with the fight. Heck, way he's talking, he may not even rematch Kov.

[texasboi15]

Im not the biggest Ward fan, but there is no way in hell that someone will convince me that Ward moved up to face Kovalev in his third fight, but he was afraid to face a smaller middleweight moving up to face him at 168

Without question

The realest post in this thread.

[Scary_canary]

All comes down to money..... why would golovkin fight ward for peanuts(compared to what he would get against cotto/canelo/froch/Chavez or what he got against brook)
Does anyone actually think ward wouldve fought kovalev for the 1-2m? Who wouldn't fight kova for a guaranteed what...7mil? Farrrrrrk I'd get in the ring with kova for 7mil... money talks bull**** walks

[aboutfkntime]

Gennady Golovkin 33-0 (30 KO’s) is thought of by many, as boxing’s current Boogeyman.

Terrorizing the middleweight division with ravaging punching power, demolishing all that lay in his path, some fighters are reluctant to face Golovkin.

Golovkin reigns as the consensus king of the middleweight division with many fighters in the middleweight division and junior middleweight division supposedly fearful of facing his power.

It may actually seem strange to think there would be an opponent Golovkin isn’t too keen on fighting.

Enter Andre Ward 28-0 (15 KO’s).

Ward in recent times, actually dating back to last year, has called out Golovkin and stated he would be willing to fight boxing’s boogeyman.

For the hardcore boxing fan, this is a sensational match-up, pitting two decorated fighters with extensive amateur backgrounds (both fighters Olympic Medalists) and two fighters’ thus far, possessing prestige and status as undefeated, elite world champions.

Golovkin’s trainer Abel Sanchez however has other plans. As reported by BoxingScene.com, Sanchez was quoted as saying, “[Ward] is not relevant.”

Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler echoed the same sentiment, seemingly dodging the possibly of matching his prized fighter against Ward.

As reported by BoxingScene.com, Loeffler said, “Ward-Golovkin is not a realistic fight at this point.”

“It just doesn’t make sense to fight Andre because he’s not that relevant. There’s no guarantee Golovkin fights at 168.”

Maybe Sanchez and Loeffler are correct. Maybe Ward isn’t relevant enough for the likes of Golovkin.

Ward is only the reigning super middleweight champion of the world, winner of the “Super Six” super middleweight tournament and undefeated as a professional fighter.

Surely guys such as Willie Monroe Jr. and Martin Murray were more relevant fighters right?

I’m certain Golovkin’s next opponent David Lemieux, is a much more popular figure and much more relevant than Ward right?





Honest and accurate assessment from middleweight contender Gabriel Rosado courtesy of FightHype.com.

Instead of a showdown with Ward, Team Golovkin is eying the winner of Miguel Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. It’s a big money fight, who can blame them?

Just like Team Golovkin desperately wants to fight Floyd Mayweather, because of the financial implications. Nothing wrong with that.

With the Ward situation, it seems Gennady’s team is weighing out the risk vs. reward factor.

The lack of criticism for pursuing riches (Cotto/Canelo/Mayeather) rather than the most challenging opponent (Ward) is convenient.

When you’re an “Exciting fighter,” certain blemishes can be forgiven or overlooked.

It’s fair to say Golovkin has faced limited opposition. Lost in the mix of it is the “Excitement Factor,” which is subjective.

Although his recent string of knockouts and overall punching power is amazing, the list of competition leaves much to be desired.

When you’re 33 years-old, a nine year veteran in the professional ranks and the most decorated and arguably best opponent faced thus far is Daniel Geale, that’s a problem.

Especially if Golovkin is being heralded as one of boxing’s biggest stars and is thought of as a top five or top ten fighter across various pound for pound lists.

With all of the criticism Danny Garcia faces, he virtually cleaned out the junior welterweight division and recently moved up to welterweight in search of bigger fights.

Yet he can’t even crack the top ten pound for pound list, at least according to Ring Magazine.

Despite the depth of his resume, because he appears to be out of favor with some boxing audiences his true value as a fighter and what he has accomplished thus far is undervalued.

Golovkin’s next fight will be against the newly crowned IBF middleweight champion David Lemieux in a unification match.

This is a match that will be Golovkin’s biggest test up to date and if triumphant, aims to face the winner of Cotto-Alvarez. With all indications of Golovkin-Ward being placed on the back burner; remember risk vs. reward.

Many media outlets and various fans have dubbed Golovkin as “The most feared man” in boxing. Is it fair to say his handlers are fearful of what may happen if he ever fights Andre Ward?

[aboutfkntime]

1) Garenteed ppv success, why. Ward v Kov just did 150k. Can't see Ward v ggg doing that much better right now.

2) Ward purposely sent that email at a time he knew it'd fail. A blind man could see at that time they'd turn it down--they had too much opportunity brewing to get bogged down with Ward.

3) And they were smart to turn down Ward. GGG will likely end up with three unification titles, and likely Canelo. None of that but Lemiuex would have manafested.

4) And Ward is hard to deal with, he says no concessions. Kov had gotten the raw end of that deal to make that fight. He was champ, but Ward got paid twice as much.

5) Ward would have demanded fight be in the United States, because even when you can get him out of California, you can't get him on neutral ground.

6) In hindsight, GGG would never get a fair shake fighting America last boxing Olympian gold medalist.

7) And into the future, Ward is making it clear he likely wants nothing to do with the fight. Heck, way he's talking, he may not even rematch Kov.

we needed 1 genuine reason

instead, you provided 7 silly excuses

why is that exactly ?

you used about the same number of excuses as Tom Loeffler did in one small conversation to scuttle any talk of that fight ever happening LMAO

you literally used every excuse in the book

Funnily, Loeffler did the same thing when asked about Lara..... another mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against

[aboutfkntime]

All comes down to money..... why would golovkin fight ward for peanuts(compared to what he would get against cotto/canelo/froch/Chavez or what he got against brook)
Does anyone actually think ward wouldve fought kovalev for the 1-2m? Who wouldn't fight kova for a guaranteed what...7mil? Farrrrrrk I'd get in the ring with kova for 7mil... money talks bull**** walks

cool, I will add that to the 7 excuses that jedi used

[Scary_canary]

Gennady Golovkin 33-0 (30 KO’s) is thought of by many, as boxing’s current Boogeyman.

Terrorizing the middleweight division with ravaging punching power, demolishing all that lay in his path, some fighters are reluctant to face Golovkin.

Golovkin reigns as the consensus king of the middleweight division with many fighters in the middleweight division and junior middleweight division supposedly fearful of facing his power.

It may actually seem strange to think there would be an opponent Golovkin isn’t too keen on fighting.

Enter Andre Ward 28-0 (15 KO’s).

Ward in recent times, actually dating back to last year, has called out Golovkin and stated he would be willing to fight boxing’s boogeyman.

For the hardcore boxing fan, this is a sensational match-up, pitting two decorated fighters with extensive amateur backgrounds (both fighters Olympic Medalists) and two fighters’ thus far, possessing prestige and status as undefeated, elite world champions.

Golovkin’s trainer Abel Sanchez however has other plans. As reported by BoxingScene.com, Sanchez was quoted as saying, “[Ward] is not relevant.”

Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler echoed the same sentiment, seemingly dodging the possibly of matching his prized fighter against Ward.

As reported by BoxingScene.com, Loeffler said, “Ward-Golovkin is not a realistic fight at this point.”

“It just doesn’t make sense to fight Andre because he’s not that relevant. There’s no guarantee Golovkin fights at 168.”

Maybe Sanchez and Loeffler are correct. Maybe Ward isn’t relevant enough for the likes of Golovkin.

Ward is only the reigning super middleweight champion of the world, winner of the “Super Six” super middleweight tournament and undefeated as a professional fighter.

Surely guys such as Willie Monroe Jr. and Martin Murray were more relevant fighters right?

I’m certain Golovkin’s next opponent David Lemieux, is a much more popular figure and much more relevant than Ward right?





Honest and accurate assessment from middleweight contender Gabriel Rosado courtesy of FightHype.com.

Instead of a showdown with Ward, Team Golovkin is eying the winner of Miguel Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. It’s a big money fight, who can blame them?

Just like Team Golovkin desperately wants to fight Floyd Mayweather, because of the financial implications. Nothing wrong with that.

With the Ward situation, it seems Gennady’s team is weighing out the risk vs. reward factor.

The lack of criticism for pursuing riches (Cotto/Canelo/Mayeather) rather than the most challenging opponent (Ward) is convenient.

When you’re an “Exciting fighter,” certain blemishes can be forgiven or overlooked.

It’s fair to say Golovkin has faced limited opposition. Lost in the mix of it is the “Excitement Factor,” which is subjective.

Although his recent string of knockouts and overall punching power is amazing, the list of competition leaves much to be desired.

When you’re 33 years-old, a nine year veteran in the professional ranks and the most decorated and arguably best opponent faced thus far is Daniel Geale, that’s a problem.

Especially if Golovkin is being heralded as one of boxing’s biggest stars and is thought of as a top five or top ten fighter across various pound for pound lists.

With all of the criticism Danny Garcia faces, he virtually cleaned out the junior welterweight division and recently moved up to welterweight in search of bigger fights.

Yet he can’t even crack the top ten pound for pound list, at least according to Ring Magazine.

Despite the depth of his resume, because he appears to be out of favor with some boxing audiences his true value as a fighter and what he has accomplished thus far is undervalued.

Golovkin’s next fight will be against the newly crowned IBF middleweight champion David Lemieux in a unification match.

This is a match that will be Golovkin’s biggest test up to date and if triumphant, aims to face the winner of Cotto-Alvarez. With all indications of Golovkin-Ward being placed on the back burner; remember risk vs. reward.

Many media outlets and various fans have dubbed Golovkin as “The most feared man” in boxing. Is it fair to say his handlers are fearful of what may happen if he ever fights Andre Ward?

Rosado always spitting that truth