Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: We Never Rejected 168 For Andre Ward!

[SchoolTheseCats]

Sanchez is a ******, all he talks is sht. As for the rest, who's lying? They never said they would never fight Ward at 168. Actually, wasn't the proposition was over 50% if Ward wants it at 168 (which Ward would never agree to being the diva that he is) or 164, 50/50.

From conversation Sanchez said him and loeffler had everything would be 50/50 money weight etc they had no plans on fighting Ward at 168

[OnePunch]

July 8, 2015:

Promoter Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, who handle IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs), says a fight can certainly be worked out with WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15 KOs).

But the deal would have to be under Golovkin's terms and not dictated by Ward. Loeffler feels Golovkin has surpassed Ward as a ticket seller and in terms of name recognition - making GGG the A-side of the negotiations...

The Ward fight is there, although it's unlikely Ward will agree to a weight of 164 and a 50-50 split.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said to ESPN. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder [at] 164 [and] a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tuneup fights.”

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

Now that's Sanchez and Loeffler! Is that good enough for you?

and at one point Floyd told Manny $40 million. So what? Its called NEGOTIATING. There is a starting point (164), and then there is whatever you end up with. In this case it never went anywhere.

On what planet would it have made sense to start the conversation at 168? Then Ward wants 172. I swear it seems as most people here have never negotiated a single deal in their entire lives. They have no concept of how it works......

Hint: A successful negotiator does not concede every point to the opposition at the beginning of any talks

[SchoolTheseCats]

So what you're saying is that he couldn't make 165 (The Olympic middleweight limit) at the age of 20 while other 168 pound fighters (Dirrell, Bute etc) had no problem doing so and are still trying to argue that Ward doesn't have a size advantage over GGG? Dummy

It's well documented that Ward gave up his middleweight spot on Olympic team to Dirrell didn't want to fight him as they've was close friends so fought at lhw

[Metho_4u]

Honestly...this is sanchez being jealous because there's a real fighter from Eastern Europe in lomachenko that's actually taking risks and is FAR superior to triple d1ckhead

[SplitSecond]

From conversation Sanchez said him and loeffler had everything would be 50/50 money weight etc they had no plans on fighting Ward at 168

I don't know why this needs to be explained. None of these posts by Golovkin or loeffler have said "never at 168". Golovkin obviously wasn't moving 8lb's out of his weightclass for a nobody like Ward. If Ward would build his image back up, that would be a big fight and who's to say it wouldn't happen at 168? Golovkin has already said yes to fighting Ward before, has chased Froch when he was active and signed to fight Chavez at 168lb's. You're crazy if you think they wouldn't fight Ward at 168 if he actually provided something.

Golovkin wasn't gonna move out of his weightclass for 2 million.

Also since you are all taking the word of Sanchez like the facts of life.
"That's something that would be a discussion amongst the team. And if we all came to the consensus that it was the right thing to do, at that point, then yes we'd consider budging on the weight."

[SchoolTheseCats]

I don't know why this needs to be explained. None of these posts by Golovkin or loeffler have said "never at 168". Golovkin obviously wasn't moving 8lb's out of his weightclass for a nobody like Ward. If Ward would build his image back up, that would be a big fight and who's to say it wouldn't happen at 168? Golovkin has already said yes to fighting Ward before, has Chased Froch when he was active and signed to fight Chavez at 168lb's. You're crazy if you think they wouldn't fight Ward at 168 if he actually provided something.

Golovkin wasn't gonna move out of his weightclass for 2 million.

Come on bro froch haven't fought in over a year when he was chasing that fight at 168 and Chavez haven't made the 168 limit since Vera fight, was all the same situations with Chavez and froch bring more money and Ward bringing legacy and a huge risk which is why he had no problem with starting weight for those two being 168 but Ward 164

[The Big Dunn]

and at one point Floyd told Manny $40 million. So what? Its called NEGOTIATING. There is a starting point (164), and then there is whatever you end up with. In this case it never went anywhere.

On what planet would it have made sense to start the conversation at 168? Then Ward wants 172. I swear it seems as most people here have never negotiated a single deal in their entire lives. They have no concept of how it works......

Hint: A successful negotiator does not concede every point to the opposition at the beginning of any talks

That isn't the issue, The issue is that whenever another fighter negotiates for the best deal, he is told to just man up and fight. When ggg is told the same thing, his fans get very self righteous and decide that negotiating is ok.

Posters get annoyed when GGG fans tolerate things from him and his team that they don't with other boxers.

[SplitSecond]

Come on bro froch haven't fought in over a year when he was chasing that fight at 168 and Chavez haven't made the 168 limit since Vera fight, was all the same situations with Chavez and froch bring more money and Ward bringing legacy and a huge risk which is why he had no problem with starting weight for those two being 168 but Ward 164

Golovkin has been chasing Froch before retirement. The Chavez fight negotiations was around the Vera fight. This didn't all happen now, this is stuff from the past. You're just making me repeat myself now.

[bigjavi973]

they were sayin.....

[OnePunch]

That isn't the issue, The issue is that whenever another fighter negotiates for the best deal, he is told to just man up and fight. When ggg is told the same thing, his fans get very self righteous and decide that negotiating is ok.

Posters get annoyed when GGG fans tolerate things from him and his team that they don't with other boxers.

Wrong. Nobody begrudges someone making the best deal they can. The problem is when someone has such unrealistic demands that even a lay person knows cant be met, and their failure to be even remotely reasonable is screwing up the progress of the division...........