Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Takes Over Top Spot on CompuBox Plus/Minus List

[have_not]

Donaire at the time Rigo fought him was top 5 p4p..Loma has 0 fights with any p4p fighter so NO!!

Walters KO'd donaire, rigo got knocked down by donaire and UD. Masterful performace by rigo but Walters is a better more dangerous fighter then donaire.

Who Else has rigo fought that Are on russel jr, Martinez level?
He was also knocked down by lesser oppenents

[TexasCowBoy]

You can say he only fought 7 times..when it is really 8...yea he fought 8 times....and in those 8 fights he is a 2 weight title holder and his combines opponents records are

222-26


lets not act like he is fighting bums

Great Post and may I add the way he dismantled Walters was a work of art...I think salido will not fight Loma again but if salido does fight Loma....Salido will lose via knockout.

[EL_GRINGO]

you don't seem to get how averages work

that could be impressive when Loma has a few more fights under his belt

Still impressive that he gets hit less then Rigondeaux who is more defense minded type fighter,i didn't expect that,and rigs don't have that many matches either

[SCEN3RY]

More specifically, he varies the intensity on his punches so that the opponent doesn't know when a hard punch is coming, where it is intended to land, and he uses the lower intensity punches mixed in to perplex the opponent. Even a viewer cannot tell which punches will be setup punches and which will have full power. That's the genius of his game. And even punches that seem lighter can have enough on them to cause pain because they come at angles that the opponent finds hard to block and sometimes even see. I had to look closer at him to demystify his actions. Sure, I know what he is doing, I figured it out, but even if I was a top boxer and I don't box, I would still have an issue dissecting live how to respond to his matrix of being in many places at the same time or so it seems the same time. I see a combination of Whitaker and Pac in him which is pretty neat really. Pac the harder hitter and Whitaker better on defense but many of those attributes.

well put.

Fucking compubox. Proof that people will believe just about anything you present in numerical format.

And this is true as far as rankings go or dependency (I'm not even going to get into how subjective the terminology "power punches" and the like are). Numerically, at least, Compubox is a guesstimate - you can pick any one fight and debunk the numbers without even all that much effort. Compubox couldn't tell half the story of Loma's accuracy and defense, but it's not illogical to think he's among the top in plus/minus.

[richardt]

that is not how averages work, after 30+ fights we will see

Even though Lom had only a sample of 7 fights, those were bigger names BY A HUGE STRETCH than most likely any fighter in history with 7 fights so if you add 20 more fights to Lom's record, most of those opponents would be a bunch of setups, or lower level fighters, or typical mismatches that real prospects usually fight. So Lom's stats would be even MORE impressive. Why? Simple! If you were to have Lom go backwards in competition (or start out with lower comp) and just fight 15 guys ranging from records like 4-2 to 22-7 like most top fighters fight at the start of their career, his numbers would be through the roof. A) because he is going to land more punches and B) take less punches from a guy with a 4-2 or 22-7 record than the higher level guys he is fighting. I don't see how anyone could fail to see this using the fill-in analysis based on pure data and facts.

[aboutfkntime]

No problem with that but lets not act like he is fighting the comp of regular fighters with 8 fights

fair point, it's good no question

[aboutfkntime]

Still impressive that he gets hit less then Rigondeaux who is more defense minded type fighter,i didn't expect that,and rigs don't have that many matches either

another good point

[aboutfkntime]

Here is why your observation is entirely incorrect. Even though Lom had only a sample of 7 fights, those were bigger names BY A HUGE STRETCH than most likely any fighter in history with 7 fights so if you add 20 more fights to Lom's record, most of those opponents would be a bunch of setups, or lower level fighters, or typical mismatches that real prospects usually fight. So Lom's stats would be even MORE impressive. Why? Simple! If you were to have Lom go backwards in competition (or start out with lower comp) and just fight 15 guys ranging from records like 4-2 to 22-7 like most top fighters fight at the start of their career, his numbers would be through the roof. A) because he is going to land more punches and B) take less punches from a guy with a 4-2 or 22-7 record than the higher level guys he is fighting. I don't see how anyone could fail to see this using fill-in analysis with this pure data and facts.

I see the problem

your " data and facts "..... are incomplete

after 30-40 fights we will know

[inidouh]

Those numbers are just as real as a three dollar bill

[richardt]

I see the problem

your " data and facts "..... are incomplete

after 30-40 fights we will know

Wrong! Any decent fighter can amass a record of 20-0 fighting mediocre competition and fail when he steps up competition and reaches contenders and champions and ex champions! To say that Lom would have a harder time against a 4-2 fighter or a 12-4 fighter than a champion or top contender is downright ignorant. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the completion at the start of a career does not match the competition at high levels. No way is it more difficult to beat a 4-2 fighter than a current or viable former champion who has had 30-40 fights. This is common ***ing sense!