Let's Not Forget THIS Happened

[Hype job]

The rematch proves NOTHING. One is reaching prime years while the other is fading away. The only way the rematch would had meant something was if they had it immediately but Arum and Team Lomachenko are smarter than that.

Arum had no problem with Lopez rematching Salido immediately. He had no problem with other of his fighters rematching immediately but why not Lomachenko? If it was really about the weight and fouls then surely Lomachenko would had beaten Salido easily in a rematch no? Apparently they weren't as confident about themselves as some of you are about them.

What's your agenda against Loma and Kov all about?

Is it because Loma is outshining Rigo?

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

What's your agenda against Loma and Kov all about?

Is it because Loma is outshining Rigo?

Agenda? I know some of you don't like the truth but it is what it is. I haven't said anything wrong of Kovalev or Lomachenko so.........

I never put stock into any of the Cubans career because they always get into something that stalls their career. So, I could care less if someone is outshining them or not.

Fun fact about me: I was born in the Ukraine raised in Cuba. So your little attempt at race/nationality missed me.

[jmrf4435]

"As in, there is a blueprint out there that already gave Loma an L.

And, it is a blueprint that others out there are more than capable of following and executing even better than Salido did.

Especially if it involves fighters bigger than Vasyl."

I think loma would stop Salido now. Way different fighter than he was then. I don't think that blueprint would do anything against lomachenko now, way different fighter. Loma now sits down on his punches and spins guys around

[koolkc107]

"As in, there is a blueprint out there that already gave Loma an L.

And, it is a blueprint that others out there are more than capable of following and executing even better than Salido did.

Especially if it involves fighters bigger than Vasyl."

I think loma would stop Salido now. Way different fighter than he was then. I don't think that blueprint would do anything against lomachenko now, way different fighter. Loma now sits down on his punches and spins guys around

You actually might be right about a rematch with Siri.

But, there are others out there who have been mentioned as possible future opponents for Loma who can use some or all of what Salido did and will do it with much more skill and punching power.

Yes, Loma may be a slightly better fighter now, but those potential fights will be against guys on a completely different level than Siri.

[Derranged]

In my opinion Loma must avenge that loss and quickly before Salido either gets too old or can't make 130 anymore.

However, a competent ref would've deducted points from Salido or dq'd him. That was a disgraceful display by Salido and terrible refereeing by Cole. Salido cheated on the scales, cheated in the ring, the ref was a moron or corrupt, it was Loma's second fight and Salido just barely sc****d by. That says quite a bit.


Now of course I'll get accused of "crying" because my guy lost but that's not the case. The only time fans argue against this loss is when detractors try throwing it in our faces which is more or less any time Loma wins another fight. Also, Loma hardly "got his ass kicked".

[Zaryu]

The rematch proves NOTHING. One is reaching prime years while the other is fading away. The only way the rematch would had meant something was if they had it immediately but Arum and Team Lomachenko are smarter than that.

Arum had no problem with Lopez rematching Salido immediately. He had no problem with other of his fighters rematching immediately but why not Lomachenko? If it was really about the weight and fouls then surely Lomachenko would had beaten Salido easily in a rematch no? Apparently they weren't as confident about themselves as some of you are about them.

Salido moved up, that's why there was no immediate rematch. Salido just free with Vargas and he didn't look done in that fight. Loma can right the wrong, and if he gets a rematch he'll prove it.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I am sure many of you are elated with Loma's performance last night.

So am I.

Honestly, I thought Walters might give him hell or even surprise him but it was clear that Loma's skill + Walter's rust = a full on rout.

But, before we go anointing an obviously talented guy top anything, we need to keep something in perspective...

Siri happened.

As in, there is a blueprint out there that already gave Loma an L.

And, it is a blueprint that others out there are more than capable of following and executing even better than Salido did.

Especially if it involves fighters bigger than Vasyl.

I have no doubt Loma will be top 2 or 3 P4P sometime in the future.

But, if you don't think there is still plenty of work to be done, if you think he can go in there as is against a sharp Pac, Bud, or Mikey you might just be kidding yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FfYNijPjY

I definitely feel that Loma has improved since that fight. It was only his second and let's face it. With a referee who saw any one of the many low blows Siri landed, points would have been taken. He also hurt Siri pretty good in that last round. At this point, especially after seeing him on Saturday, I think he handles Siri easily at this point.

And let's not act like any fighter doesn't have a blueprint. All fighters are human and all can be beaten on any given night. Obviously against Loma, you want to get close and try to hammer the body. You want to get him on the ropes and make it ugly. In a pure boxing match, it's going to be hell even making it close. You'd pretty much do something similar with Rigo. You have to get close and make it a fight. Only a guy with a huge reach advantage could beat Rigo from outside and even then, it's not certain by any means.

As you say in your post, Loma's top 2 or 3 or IMO, number one in a few years. With the L or not, he's exceptional to say the least. Honestly, I'm glad he got the L out of the way. Now he doesn't have to worry about keeping the "0" BS. There's too much of that these days.

[Illmatic94]

the low blows from salido it's all people seem to remember from that bout. fair is fair, let's not forget the excessive clinching from lomachenko as well. even the HBO commentators suggested a point deduction for it. and in this site clinching or "hugging" is detested, so it's kinda odd nobody even mentions this hugfest from lomachenko vs salido.

[Thraxox]

the low blows from salido it's all people seem to remember from that bout. fair is fair, let's not forget the excessive clinching from lomachenko as well. even the HBO commentators suggested a point deduction for it. and in this site clinching or "hugging" is detested, so it's kinda odd nobody even mentions this hugfest from lomachenko vs salido.

As a fan of Lomachenko, I don't want to be a hypocrite because I hate clinching, but I really think he needs to get rid of the clinching everytime the opponent closes on him, be clean, use his hand speed advantage to ward them off like what Pacquiao did against most clinchers.

[koolkc107]

I definitely feel that Loma has improved since that fight. It was only his second and let's face it. With a referee who saw any one of the many low blows Siri landed, points would have been taken. He also hurt Siri pretty good in that last round. At this point, especially after seeing him on Saturday, I think he handles Siri easily at this point.

And let's not act like any fighter doesn't have a blueprint. All fighters are human and all can be beaten on any given night. Obviously against Loma, you want to get close and try to hammer the body. You want to get him on the ropes and make it ugly. In a pure boxing match, it's going to be hell even making it close. You'd pretty much do something similar with Rigo. You have to get close and make it a fight. Only a guy with a huge reach advantage could beat Rigo from outside and even then, it's not certain by any means.

As you say in your post, Loma's top 2 or 3 or IMO, number one in a few years. With the L or not, he's exceptional to say the least. Honestly, I'm glad he got the L out of the way. Now he doesn't have to worry about keeping the "0" BS. There's too much of that these days.

Well, I do think there is a lot to said about him beating Siri the second time around. I certainly wouldn't wager money on Salido like I did the first time.

But, I reject those who use it being his second pro fight as an excuse. Often, these are the same folks who either cite his extensive amateur record to bolster their view of how good he is or point to how much he has accomplished in so few pro fights. Kinda like trying to have one's pie and eat it too.

The fouls by Siri are also a pretty lame excuse. When I watch a fight where someone is supposedly being fouled excessively and it goes on the whole fight, the first persons I blame are the "fouled" fighter's corner. That is part of their job. Also, Loma got warned a lot more for holding than Salido did for low blows. No points were deducted for either fighter and that is probably good as there were plenty of reasons to penalize either fighter.

My point is and continues to be that, as Loma fights better and bigger guys, more of them will be able to employ part or all of Siri's strategy. Walters, though big enough, clearly didn't exhibit enough skill and you can attribute that to either him not having enough, ring rust, or some combo of the two.

That may not be the case when he moves up to fight the Pacs, and Crawfords, and Garcias of the world.