Let's Not Forget THIS Happened

[-PBP-]

Totally agree that Siri was gassed the last couple of rounds.

If it is a 15 round fight, maybe Loma does him in.

But, for 9 or 10 rounds, Loma got his ass kicked.

And I wouldn't count on Pac or Bud fading like that.

IJS...

Agreed. Siri clearly won but it wasn't a performance that Lomachenko should be ashamed of.

[Banderivets]

Not salty, just real good at pointing out the truth.

You think Bud won't be 15 lbs heavier on fightnight?

Pac?

You put that same blueprint in the hands of someone as skilled as Mickey Garcia and you think Loma doesn't take a nap?

I don't get your argument at all.

The whole point is that Loma will no longer allow for unfair fight to take place. He will no longer take a fight against a guy who will step in 2.5lb over limit on weigh in.

You are saying that the blueprint is for a guy to have 15lb on Loma...fine, but how is that going to happen again? It won't. And don't forget that he almost had Siri out of there with all of Siri's weight advantage and could have easily won the fight if the ref wasn't crooked and deducted even a single point off of Salido or gave him a warning.

If he fights any of the names you mentioned it will be on equal terms in terms of weight and that maters.

Look at all the catch weights pac and others forced on fighters.

If Loma has Pac come down to 135 at this point in Pac's career this will be like Oscar vs Pac.....Crawford is huge though, Loma would need to pack on some muscle to **** with him.

It's done, it's over.

All anyone has on Loma is a punchers chance and we don't even know how good Loma's chin is. What happens when Loma gets blasted on the button by a puncher and just stands there? What happens then? What will people bank on at that point?

I tell you what. At that point you will just have to wait until he moves up high enough out of his natural weight that his guys will just become too big and strong for him.

[koolkc107]

Agreed. Siri clearly won but it wasn't a performance that Lomachenko should be ashamed of.

My point isn't that Loma is not great.

My point is there are other fighters out there who can and will use an already successful blueprint to defeat Loma.

And that the true measure of how great Vasyl is will be how he meets (and conquers?) that challenge once faced with it.

Kinda like what Ward did against Kovalev.

What happens when you can't win with plan A?

The greats find a plan B and even a C when needed.

We will see if Loma can be THAT great in the future.

But, for now he's failed that particular test.

[koolkc107]

I don't get your argument at all.

The whole point is that Loma will no longer allow for unfair fight to take place. He will no longer take a fight against a guy who will step in 2.5lb over limit on weigh in.

You are saying that the blueprint is for a guy to have 15lb on Loma...fine, but how is that going to happen again? It won't. And don't forget that he almost had Siri out of there with all of Siri's weight advantage and could have easily won the fight if the ref wasn't crooked and deducted even a single point off of Salido or gave him a warning.

If he fights any of the names you mentioned it will be on equal terms in terms of weight and that maters.

Look at all the catch weights pac and others forced on fighters.

If Loma has Pac come down to 135 at this point in Pac's career this will be like Oscar vs Pac.....Crawford is huge though, Loma would need to pack on some muscle to **** with him.

It's done, it's over.

All anyone has on Loma is a punchers chance and we don't even know how good Loma's chin is. What happens when Loma gets blasted on the button by a puncher and just stands there? What happens then? What will people bank on at that point?

I tell you what. At that point you will just have to wait until he moves up high enough out of his natural weight that his guys will just become too big and strong for him.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but it is Loma who needs the bigger guys, not the other way around.

And even if they did go down to 135, it wouldn't be the catastrophe for them that you might think.

Manny was rehydrating to welter even as far back as his super featherweight days. Bud was a lightweight just 2 years ago but rehydrated past 150. Mikey is having his first fight as a lightweight NEXT year but regularly rehydrates to welter.

They will be bigger anyway, and have dealt with the weight before and thus might be able to deal with some or all of the effects even now.

[Banderivets]

My point isn't that Loma is not great.

My point is there are other fighters out there who can and will use an already successful blueprint to defeat Loma.

Bruh! There is no blueprint. What was the blueprint to beat Floyd?

There just isn't. Is the blueprint to treat his nutsack as a speed bag and to come in with a 15lb advantage on him?

As explained, he will never allow anyone to have that big of a weight advantage on him any more.

And his team has been drilling it into refs to watch the low blows which all of them do now.

Blueprint doesn't exist.

[Banderivets]

I hate to be the one to break it to you but it is Loma who needs the bigger guys, not the other way around.

And even if they did go down to 135, it wouldn't be the catastrophe for them that you might think.

Manny was rehydrating to welter even as far back as his super featherweight days. Bud was a lightweight just 2 years ago but rehydrated past 150. Mikey is having his first fight as a lightweight NEXT year but regularly rehydrates to welter.

They will be bigger anyway, and have dealt with the weight before and thus might be able to deal with some or all of the effects even now.

He doesn't need anything. He can still make 126, he can **** at 126-135 for the next few years until he naturally grows into 140 lets say. There are still fights to be made at those weights. At least 2 years worth.

And as I said...I hate to burst it, but he will not allow for a fighter to have 15lb on him anymore.

There will be rehydration clauses and the lot if his team feel like he will be fighting a 150lber in a 135lb title fight.

Besides....how is it good for the sport or anyone to wait for a fighter to loose by fighting someone who is naturally bigger and stronger a division or two above? What is the point of that?

Toss Ward in with Usyk, have Ward get KTFOd...what is the point of that? Who does it benefit?

If you care for the sport you want Loma in proper fair fights against equally sized men.

[dazzo16]

loma is already the best boxer around

[TheCell8]

Lol a split decision loss in his 2nd pro fight is a blue print?

Talk about grasping at straws.

[PK3434]

The loss against Siri was a good thing for Lomachenko. He learned more from that loss than guys like Gary Russell and many other talented fighters who get to 20-0 fighting absolute bums.

I have no problem with guys taking losses if they learn from it. But yes, I think Loma should fight Salido again to prove that he is a better fighter now...but I think the result will be obvious.

[koolkc107]

He doesn't need anything. He can still make 126, he can **** at 126-135 for the next few years until he naturally grows into 140 lets say. There are still fights to be made at those weights. At least 2 years worth.

And as I said...I hate to burst it, but he will not allow for a fighter to have 15lb on him anymore.

There will be rehydration clauses and the lot if his team feel like he will be fighting a 150lber in a 135lb title fight.

Besides....how is it good for the sport or anyone to wait for a fighter to loose by fighting someone who is naturally bigger and stronger a division or two above? What is the point of that?

Toss Ward in with Usyk, have Ward get KTFOd...what is the point of that? Who does it benefit?

If you care for the sport you want Loma in proper fair fights against equally sized men.

It hasn't been the bigger guys asking for these fights, it's been Arum speculating and Loma agreeing yet modifying it with his wishes on weight.

Why would Crawford or Pac give up a size advantage with a rehydration clause? Both have plenty of bigger names at their own weights than Loma that will be more lucrative fights.

Who does Loma have around his own weight that is a bigger fight than either of those two?