Does the media manipulate fans into accepting bad decisions?

[daggum]

the boxer vs puncher trope is also known as the sven ottke strategy. if the sven ottke boxer type(andre ward) simply survives the fight he will be given the decision. fanboys will then use deductive reasoning to explain why sven/ward won. they will find ways to explain away poor judging: give more emphasis to unclean body work then clean shots, say things like it could have gone either way(if you ignore punch count, clean punches sure), or just use the good ole he outboxed him line.

[Madison Boxing]

everyone said ward decision or kovalev ko, apart from me and a handful of other posters who said kovalev on points. If you look at my thread where i warned about a robbery, everyone was saying that if it goes 12 rounds then theres no doubt that ward will win cause kov can only beat him by a ko. People dont understand that you dont have to be a mayweather or rigondeaux style fighter to win rounds. You pick the winner on who landed the better shots and there shouldnt be much more to it than that. Judges just seem to automatically give rounds to the 'boxer' cause they probably think thats the safe pick if a round is close. Dont think a lot of judges actually have the bollocks to actually score what they are seeing.

[sicko]

I agree with most of this post, other than "this fight can't be a draw" part which is just a mathematical fact. If you score a 10-8 round (eg. Kov rd 2) and all your other rounds are scored 10-9 (eg. no other knockdowns, no ref deductions, no super one sided rounds, no even rounds), you literally cannot construct a card that is a draw.

No I had Round 10 EVEN which is a round people keep talking about but it was EVEN IMO with Kovalev finishing that round strong to at least even it

So with a Even Round YES a Draw is VERY POSSIBLE and that is how I end up with a DRAW!

[BrometheusBob.]

No I had Round 10 EVEN which is a round people keep talking about but it was EVEN IMO with Kovalev finishing that round strong to at least even it

So with a Even Round YES a Draw is VERY POSSIBLE and that is how I end up with a DRAW!

Ah gotcha bro

[KingHippo]

I also originally gave the 3rd to Ward, but gave it to Kovalev afterwards.

But of all 4 commentators, Kellerman had the best eyes. That old man scoring was bull****

[KingHippo]

No I had Round 10 EVEN which is a round people keep talking about but it was EVEN IMO with Kovalev finishing that round strong to at least even it

So with a Even Round YES a Draw is VERY POSSIBLE and that is how I end up with a DRAW!

How did Kovalev finish strong, don't tell me you scored that right hook

[Scipio2009]

I know this has been beat to death already,but take the Ward/Kovalev fight for example, as soon as it was announced we heard the term boxer versus puncher at nauseam. I assume that most people here are "Hardcores" but if that regurgitated statement doesn't completely brain wash you, it at the very least predisposes you to some potentially bias thinking.For instance I originally gave Ward round three of the fight,but on the second watch I really can't see my reasoning behind that. In fact the only admirable thing that Ward did that round was not being knocked out,and the only legitimate criticism that can be passed along to Kovalev was that he didn't finish Ward off. What is worse this way of thinking seemed to be almost encourage by Kellerman during the telecast.

Manny Pacquiao showed up and **** the bed, yet (given a little nudge from *******s) the media, given a little bit of time, was able to try and completely absolve Pacquiao of his **** performance, while also trying to shift the blame for the fight onto Floyd (who showed up and basically did the same things he'd done for the 47 prior fights).

The media spins the story however they want to spin the story; the objective sport/non-boxing press, in putting together their stories for the fight, focus largely on Ward performing poorly early, settling things out in the next couple rounds, and then using his grit and guile on the inside (with Kovalev tiring down the stretch) to edge enough rounds to win the fight.

To hear the "boxing press" tell it, Kovalev was beating the dog**** out of Ward early, the fight happened, and then the American judges in America (on some Cold War bull****) simply decided to rob the champion.

[DoktorSleepless]

For instance I originally gave Ward round three of the fight,but on the second watch I really can't see my reasoning behind that. In fact the only admirable thing that Ward did that round was not being knocked out,and the only legitimate criticism that can be passed along to Kovalev was that he didn't finish Ward off.

There were a few random glove grazes/taps here and there, but these were these were the only notable punches punches I saw in round 3. You must be blind as hell if you didn't see Ward do anything "admirable" here. Ward landed the best head snapping punches in this round IMO. I got no problem if you scored it for Kovalev though.

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And round 3 was a round Ledderman gave to Kovalev. What manipulation?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

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I know this has been beat to death already,but take the Ward/Kovalev fight for example, as soon as it was announced we heard the term boxer versus puncher at nauseam. I assume that most people here are "Hardcores" but if that regurgitated statement doesn't completely brain wash you, it at the very least predisposes you to some potentially bias thinking.For instance I originally gave Ward round three of the fight,but on the second watch I really can't see my reasoning behind that. In fact the only admirable thing that Ward did that round was not being knocked out,and the only legitimate criticism that can be passed along to Kovalev was that he didn't finish Ward off. What is worse this way of thinking seemed to be almost encourage by Kellerman during the telecast.

It's time to turn the fights on mute for real. Don't listen to the commentary. Don't listen to the fans. Just watch what the fighters actually do. Everything is set up on TV to steer you in one direction or another. They tell you what to think. Now, they know everyone is not going to go along with this but if enough fans do, there won't be such an uproar. I don't think it mattered last Saturday. Despite all the BS, lots of people refused to go along with the decision and still do.

[sicko]

How did Kovalev finish strong, don't tell me you scored that right hook

Forget the ****** that Lampley had at the end of the 10th over a punch that didn't even land but Kovalev seem to got a bit of a second wind the second half of the 10th and started landing that stiff jab again and got in a few good shots towards the end of that round which I thought was enough to pull it even at the very least but if some give it to Ward or Kovalev I won't argue it because again that is how close I thought the fight was