Comments Thread For: Kovalev vs. Ward - Scoring Cone Validates Tallies By Judges

[PunchyPotorff]

Some people are trying very hard to rationalize and justify it, but the honest truth is that Sergey Kovalev was robbed of a deserved win.

Do you feel like applying your cone when considering that usually a challenger has to go in there and actually TAKE the belts from the champ, not pitty-pat, fight on the back foot and throw an occasional, well timed jab? This was a championship fight, the most important of the year, not some whatever scrap where you review rounds a dozen times to try justify some BS manufactured result.

Yep. I suspect if it really got intense, as in putting some people on a stand in a courtroom intense, a few would fold and admit this was a payoff. Too many red flags. A ref who just stood there like a ring post, 3 identical scores, too many scribes blabbering their guts out with their various 'it could've went either way' stories, the list goes on. Sorry 'Powers That Be', I'm not buying the b.s. This was a textbook example of a fixed fight. And I'm not in the 'industry' so I can say that with no fear of retaliation for my job.

[g27region]

Ward gets the political win, but history doesn't give a damn about politics.

History doesn't like losers so from 10 years from now people will be thinking of this fight as of dominant performance of Ward who schooled "the bum" and it doesn't matter what you or other people think or how close this fight was, the official scorecards is the only thing that matters for history

And American judges have every right to rob Russian fighters and favoring their guy, that's just how this world works. If you know that you're in hostile surroundings, then don't leave it to judges, or that talk about how you were robbed is just an excuse, because you knew where you were going to

[Sledgeweather17]

Scoring cone? More like cucking cone.
Or the "do or say anything to justify Ward winning including creating new criteria for fight judging" cone.
Of course when application is not convenient to agenda, he wont consider using this revolutionary "new criteria".

People should probably just let them have this. Imagine their reaction had Kovalev rightfully gotten his win.
We kept hearing about "slick american", "P4P#1", "once in a generation talent", and "special".
And on the orher side "brawler", "robot" and "stiff russian".
And yet, that stiff russian was having his way with Ward on the outside. Making him resort to near non-existant body shots and revolutionary new "criteria" in order to "win".

Kovalev had a 4 inch reach advantage dumb dumb. Obviously he was going to have the advantage on the outside.

[Sledgeweather17]

Yep. I suspect if it really got intense, as in putting some people on a stand in a courtroom intense, a few would fold and admit this was a payoff. Too many red flags. A ref who just stood there like a ring post, 3 identical scores, too many scribes blabbering their guts out with their various 'it could've went either way' stories, the list goes on. Sorry 'Powers That Be', I'm not buying the b.s. This was a textbook example of a fixed fight. And I'm not in the 'industry' so I can say that with no fear of retaliation for my job.

No one complained when it was said that the Thurman-Porter fight could have gone both ways, but throw a Euro bum in the mix and it all of a sudden becomes a controversy.

[Redd Foxx]

OMG is your mind ever twisted, friend. Your last sentence says it all, and is quite apropos... only if it is directed at YOU instead... 'There's really nothing I can say to a closed mind.' Because like I said earlier, this fight has all the markings of a fix. It's just painfully obvious.

Cute. Yes, me, someone who is a fan of both guys and hasn't trashed either, is just lost to bias. But, the angry conspiracy theorist who endlessly bashed Ward before the fight is the voice of reason? You already showed your cards before the fight. You don't get to pretend you're not biased now.

[Weltschmerz]

Yep. I suspect if it really got intense, as in putting some people on a stand in a courtroom intense, a few would fold and admit this was a payoff. Too many red flags. A ref who just stood there like a ring post, 3 identical scores, too many scribes blabbering their guts out with their various 'it could've went either way' stories, the list goes on. Sorry 'Powers That Be', I'm not buying the b.s. This was a textbook example of a fixed fight. And I'm not in the 'industry' so I can say that with no fear of retaliation for my job.

Thought of Larry Merchant when you said this; a man who's retired from the industry with no fear of losing his job and he said it was a classic example of a hometown decision too.

[NorvernRob]

At least this writer admits he ignores the official scoring criteria in favour of his own personal fetish for "punch percentages".

According to this writer's standards, someone who throws one punch a round- and lands it!- would win by a landslide.

I can't agree with that. But at least now I can understand why he scored the fight for Ward.

He didn't say that at all, just a footnote that generally if a fighter has a higher connect % of jabs, shots and power shots then they would win a fight.

The article is about the 'cone', or put more simply any competent person should be able to score a fight within two points either way of the official judges average scores. He scored it 114-113 Ward, but would have been happy with the swing and 114-113 Kovalev, but anyone that scored it wide to Kovalev probably stopped paying attention after the knockdown in round two.

Step forward half of NSB who are claiming a robbery.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
OMG is your mind ever twisted, friend. Your last sentence says it all, and is quite apropos... only if it is directed at YOU instead... 'There's really nothing I can say to a closed mind.' Because like I said earlier, this fight has all the markings of a fix. It's just painfully obvious.

Cute. Yes, me, someone who is a fan of both guys and hasn't trashed either, is just lost to bias. But, the angry conspiracy theorist who endlessly bashed Ward before the fight is the voice of reason? You already showed your cards before the fight. You don't get to pretend you're not biased now.

You seemed quite smarmy on this thread with your 1st post, so please don't think you won't be questioned for deflectorama. You're a Ward fan, which is fine. I've seen the guy in some great fights, seen him throw headbuttz, out box, grab n hold, you name it. As for my predictions, I've always said a fair win is fine with me, like his win over Froch. And I always admit when it's a fair win. But this was a robbery. Your opinion different than mine? Fine. I really don't care. But the fact is, a bunch of fans agree with me that Kovalev won. So whatever, friend, neither of us are in the ring anyway, we're both just observers.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Yep. I suspect if it really got intense, as in putting some people on a stand in a courtroom intense, a few would fold and admit this was a payoff. Too many red flags. A ref who just stood there like a ring post, 3 identical scores, too many scribes blabbering their guts out with their various 'it could've went either way' stories, the list goes on. Sorry 'Powers That Be', I'm not buying the b.s. This was a textbook example of a fixed fight. And I'm not in the 'industry' so I can say that with no fear of retaliation for my job.

No one complained when it was said that the Thurman-Porter fight could have gone both ways, but throw a Euro bum in the mix and it all of a sudden becomes a controversy.

I would never make an assumption that I'm even remotely well-known on boxing blogs... so I would never expect anyone to pay me the least bit of attention. But I have praised many many boxers on here, and it's fairly well spread out between all races, nationalities etc etc. So no, my friend, this has nothing to do with any of that, and everything to do with me just stating my opinion that I think it was a fixed fight. Oh, and BTW, Kovalev is far from a 'Euro bum'... and I think you could even admit that.

[angkag]

He's basically confirming that if you give the benefit of every doubt to Ward, Ward wins (114-113).

If you give the benefit of every doubt to Kovalev, Kovalev wins (117-110).

There's your cone, somewhere between 114-113 Ward and 117-113 Kovalev.

Either score is acceptable if you want to give the benefit of every doubt to only one fighter.