scoring aggresion

[Canelo and GGG]

So if Kovalev is Aggresive but not land massive shot and Ward is not landing to ,Kovalev is scoring against himself?cuse he is not effective ?that make no sens

Standards to win a round for likes of Floyd /Ward is low, for theyr opponents high af

Just asking why regardless who won yesterday ?

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

See and this is the reason Kovalev lost the fight in people eyes (not mines). The problem with being the aggressor and NOT getting in and doing ENOUGH damage is that instead of it becoming EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION (A Scoring Criteria), it now become INEFFECTIVE AGGRESSION and now you are scoring against yourself which is ****** imo, especially if the opponent aint doing no damage back and is just walking straight back away from you like ward did.

See Even paulie said all kovalev had to do was cut off the ring and not follow ward and he would catch him. Which means ward wasn't doing anything "special", not avoiding kovalev with lateral movement or setting traps or anything beside just going in reverse (this is not footwork or ring generalship) but since kovalev is the aggressor and didnt get in enough damage or win these moments big/dramtic than in these situation it looks to the eye that kovalev is failing which is far from the case. For instance if you take the same action (leather landed, blocked/slipped punches etc) in this so-called "ineffective aggression" moment and put them in the center of the ring Kovalev would win that moment with that same action (leather landed, blocked/slipped punches etc) cause he would outland, outbox and outscore ward.


The problem with pressure You either win it big and it becomes effective aggression or you shoot yourself in the foot and they will score it against you as ineffective aggression.

[-PBP-]

I try not to complicate things. I just try my best to see who's landing cleaner whether they are the aggressor or running the 100 meter dash

[Canelo and GGG]

I try not to complicate things. I just try my best to see who's landing cleaner whether they are the aggressor or running the 100 meter dash

Its fair, but ppl like to talk about this uneffective aggresion ,its BS imo ,if opponent is not doing much either

[Porter's Dad]

See and this is the reason Kovalev lost the fight in people eyes (not mines). The problem with being the aggressor and NOT getting in and doing ENOUGH damage is that instead of it becoming EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION (A Scoring Criteria), it now become INEFFECTIVE AGGRESSION and now you are scoring against yourself which is ****** imo, especially if the opponent aint doing no damage back and is just walking straight back away from you like ward did.

See Even paulie said all kovalev had to do was cut off the ring and not follow ward and he would catch him. Which means ward wasn't doing anything "special", not avoiding kovalev with lateral movement or setting traps or anything beside just going in reverse (this is not footwork or ring generalship) but since kovalev is the aggressor and didnt get in enough damage or win these moments big/dramtic than in these situation it looks to the eye that kovalev is failing which is far from the case. For instance if you take the same action (leather landed, blocked/slipped punches etc) in this so-called "ineffective aggression" moment and put them in the center of the ring Kovalev would win that moment with that same action (leather landed, blocked/slipped punches etc) cause he would outland, outbox and outscore ward.


The problem with pressure You either win it big and it becomes effective aggression or you shoot yourself in the foot and they will score it against you as ineffective aggression.

This is an interesting point. Who knows, maybe "ineffective aggression" is just something invented by commentators and not an actual thing looked at by judges.

But as a concept, ineffective aggression is kinda bogus. It places a heavy onus on the more aggressive fighter to do damage, yet the defensive fighter doesn't have to worry about his own offensive output - he wins if he mutes the attack of the aggressor.

Does that also mean a pressure fighters defence is not marked as well either? I mean, if you think about it - Kov's defence yesterday was kinda great.

[-PBP-]

Its fair, but ppl like to talk about this uneffective aggresion ,its BS imo ,if opponent is not doing much either

It goes both ways though. When a defensive fighter gets touched he automatically loses the round because defensive fighters aren't supposed to get hit cleanly. They have zero margin for error.

[Canelo and GGG]

It goes both ways though. When a defensive fighter gets touched he automatically loses the round because defensive fighters aren't supposed to get hit cleanly. They have zero margin for error.

If gets hit but throw back i have no problem to give him rounds,its just some concept that agressor need to do "More".And this narrative "if it goes to distance Ward wins if KO Kovalev win" its some BS regardless who won,and in which way its going,its wrong in both situations

[-PBP-]

If gets hit but throw back i have no problem to give him rounds,its just some concept that agressor need to do "More".And this narrative "if it goes to distance Ward wins if KO Kovalev win" its some BS regardless who won,and in which way its going,its wrong in both situations

I agree. Seeing a fighters previous fights can bias your scoring. You see Kovalev not landing as much as usual and Ward getting hit more than usual it can sway the rounds in one direction. It's hard to throw out pre-fight biases when scoring a fight.

[hugh grant]

I don't like boxers who are wannabes slickers but try pickpocketing and steal a win!
Kovly prob felt ward was doing nothing so kovy didn't do as much as he could have. Whilst ward wasn't doing much the judges had other ideas and were actually scoring that bs..
So in actual fact it's conning kov at end of the day.
Kov is just doing as much as he thinks he needs to do. He didn't think ward was doing anything so brings his level down to wards. But the judges are actually scoring ward?

[Canelo and GGG]

I agree. Seeing a fighters previous fights can bias your scoring. You see Kovalev not landing as much as usual and Ward getting hit more than usual it can sway the rounds in one direction. It's hard to throw out pre-fight biases when scoring a fight.

Yea but we are not judges,and boxing showed that judges can be biased or " influanced" ,you watched this Hooker fight? we can argue about Kov-Ward it was controversial,but Hooker fight was stright robbery i was worried from this moment and maybe thats why its harder for me to accept the verdict(another bias factor lol hard to be objective)