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  • #31
    Originally posted by boliodogs View Post
    The compubox stats say Ward landed more punches in rounds 3, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 11. Kovalev landed more punches in rounds 1, 2, 4, 6, 10 and 12. Kovalev landed 126 total punches out of 474 punches thrown. Ward landed 116 total punches out of 337 punches thrown. Kovalev landed 78 power punches and Ward landed 61 power punches. So Kovalev landed more punches in 6 of the 12 rounds and he scored a 2 point knockdown. Kovalev was the attacker the whole fight. Kovalev threw 137 more punches than Ward and landed 10 more punches than Ward. Kovalev also landed 17 more power punches than Ward. A kovalev power punch is much harder than a Ward power punch. If these stats are reasonably accurate Kovalev clearly should have won the fight. He was the aggressor the whole fight. He threw many more punches. He landed more and much harder punches and scored a knockdown. That is winning the fight in my book.

    Dr Rumack made a fantastic post that sheds a lot of light on this fight and on SOME of the people who insist Ward clearly won (which is not too many people):

    "It's important to recognise why that happens too. There's a huge problem with narrative bias when a guy like Ward fights. If the round is low action, he seems to win by default, without actually having to score himself. He gets credit for defence. But Kovalev gets no credit. When Kovalev blocks and slips shots, making Ward miss, it doesn't matter. Kovalev's defence is not part of the narrative. Only his offence. Whereas Ward gets credit for both. So Kovalev can only win rounds by landing heavy flush shots. Whereas Ward can win the round with a couple of spear jabs.

    I'm sick of seeing it. Both guys should have to score at the same level to win. In boxing at the moment it's like a soccer team playing ultra defensive against an attacking team, and being awarded the win without actually having to score themselves."

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Elotero View Post
      no controversy, the right man won
      Then why do about 90% of the posters on this board think the wrong man won?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Thraxox View Post
        Kovalev outlanded Ward at round 10 and 12 where it was a clear Kovalev round. 17-11 and 21-13
        Originally posted by King_ View Post
        Welp. That's that. I had Kovalev winning both of those rounds too.

        Kovalev got robbed



        Can somebody make the case for Ward winning rounds 10 and 12?
        Well thats a ****ing lie.

        http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-war...-stats--110941

        The compubox stats point to a close fight where defences won the day and nullified each guys offensive game.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Weltschmerz View Post
          So you justify Ward winning 7 rounds? How? He didn't dominate, he wasn't effectively aggressive, he didn't land cleaner punches either. He ran and clinched a lot and connected here and there (without hurting Sergey a single time) - that doesn't warrant dethroning the champ and grabbing the belts off him.
          I've already stated I thought Kov edged it. But I can see both sides. It was a very close fight where rounds were difficult to score. It certainly wasn't a robbery though. Hopefully there will be a rematch.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
            I've already stated I thought Kov edged it. But I can see both sides. It was a very close fight where rounds were difficult to score. It certainly wasn't a robbery though. Hopefully there will be a rematch.
            Good to hear.

            And yes, hopefully they rematch right away.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by boliodogs View Post
              Then why do about 90% of the posters on this board think the wrong man won?
              bunch of crybabies thats why.

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