The end all/be all determination as to whether it was a robbery....

[JAB5239]

The fight was not a robbery. It was closely contested and could have gone either way. A rematch is certainly in order.

[King_]

The fight was not a robbery. It was closely contested and could have gone either way. A rematch is certainly in order.

Can you make a case for Ward winning rounds 10 and 12?

I mean, it comes down to those rounds. Kovalev gets one of those, he wins.


If you can make a legit case for Ward winning rounds 10 and 12- two swing rounds that Kovalev outlanded Ward, then it may not have been a robbery. But I think it'll be very difficult for somebody to do that.

Kovalev did not get a fair assessment by the judges, due to that, I think it's fair to say he got "robbed."

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Guess that depends on your definition of a robbery.

Some people think you have to have a totally crooked scorecard for it to be a robbery, when in fact switching a round or two is just as effective. Judging is subjective so there is really no way to tell if it is corruption, bias, or incompetence.

It's a part of the sport. Always has and always will be.

[Flemming]

Compubox stats say otherwise. How can they not mean anything when you're living in a fantasy land? You've over here saying that Ward hit him with inside punches and body punches and you're blatantly ignoring what Kovalev did in those rounds.

Compubox does matter when it shows that Kovalev outlanded Ward in rounds 10 and 12. How does that not matter?

You're completely one-sided. As good as Wards body work was, that's all he had. Kovalev landed jsut as much body shots, and actually followed it up to the head with head snapping jabs. Ward barely threw any combos.

I already gave Ward respect, plenty of times. This has nothing to do with respect. There was nothing controversial about the result? Come on dude lol

Compubox can't change reality, bro. Ward was simply better. Kovalev had a good start and that's it.

[Shpacman]

Ward won the last 6 rounds on the judges score cards. I think we have a way to see if this was truly a robbery:

The compubox stats for those 6 rounds. Are they out there?

If Ward won all 6 of the last 6 rounds, but Kovalev outlanded Ward in any, or a majority of those 6 rounds, and failed to get a SINGLE round, would you guys who think it's not quite a robbery, think it's more of a robbery?

I will admit this right here: As a fan of Kovalev, I had him winning comfortably, BUT if he failed to outland Ward for any of those 6 rounds, I'll admit it was closer then I first thought and Ward scoring those points is okay.

HOWEVER, if Kovalev out landed Ward for more then, what, like two of those rounds? I think I'd literally puke into this trashcan right next to me.


Where's the compubox stats??!!? This could end this debate.

Compubox stats aren't reliable source. This can only start the debate, not end

[King_]

Compubox can't change reality, bro. Ward was simply better. Kovalev had a good start and that's it.

How was Ward better? You're not giving us anything to work with man, lol.


Can you state why you think Ward won rounds 10 and 12? Be careful, because if you give Kovalev even one of those rounds on accident, he wins.

[King_]

Compubox stats aren't reliable source. This can only start the debate, not end

What's not reliable about Kovalev clearly outlanding Ward in both the 10 and 12 rounds?

Can you tell us why Ward won both of those rounds? Plz, anything but just "bodyshotz."


If somebody can make a legit case for Ward winning both of those rounds, I'll concede that this was closer than I thought. but right now, that's not looking like the case

[Flemming]

How was Ward better? You're not giving us anything to work with man, lol.


Can you state why you think Ward won rounds 10 and 12? Be careful, because if you give Kovalev even one of those rounds on accident, he wins.

Why are you so obsessed with round 10 and 12? Yeah, I think Ward looked more impressive in those rounds. I think Ward won all of the last 6 rounds and that's the official decision. You are the one who should prove otherwise and you can't do that by showing us some compubox stats when we saw Ward doing better in those rounds.

Ward was much sharper and Kovalev simply couldn't get through with anything.

What's your explanation for a great puncher like Kovalev not knocking down Ward in any of those rounds, when his jab could hurt Ward in round 1? The only logical explanation is that he simply didn't hit him enough both quality-wise and quantity-wise.

Kovalev, on the other hand, got shook by Ward in the later rounds, sticking his head between the robes to avoid further punishment and his face looked like it had been through a blender, with blood everywhere.

If the strong puncher's face is bleeding from multiple injuries (nose, cuts, etc.) and the weak puncher is still standing, then it gives a pretty clear picture of how the fight went.

[Weltschmerz]

The fight was not a robbery. It was closely contested and could have gone either way. A rematch is certainly in order.

So you justify Ward winning 7 rounds? How? He didn't dominate, he wasn't effectively aggressive, he didn't land cleaner punches either. He ran and clinched a lot and connected here and there (without hurting Sergey a single time) - that doesn't warrant dethroning the champ and grabbing the belts off him.

[SkillspayBills]

I have no problem with people thinking Kov won because it was a close highly competitive bout. Anyone saying robbery should kill themselves. Clowns ruin an intelligent discussion with their ignorance.