Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Gets Off The Floor, Decisions Sergey Kovalev

[Shadoww702]

Ward winning 7 rounds to 5 = 115. Kov winning 5 rounds = 113. Ward got a 10-8 for round two due to the KD. 115-1 = 114. Hence a 114-113 score.

How do so many posters the last two days not understand boxing scoring?

I had it 115-112 Kov. but I can easily see the 114-113 for Ward. It was a close fight. Most ppl felt Kov. won majority of the early rounds while Ward won majority of the later rounds... We can ALL agree Kovalov was gassed out in the later rounds. He was falling down and falling in between the ropes clearly showing he was tired.

[Shadoww702]

Finally watched the full fight...

I had it 7-5 Kovalev, not counting the knockdown. Adding the knockdown gets me basically to the same score Harold Lederman had.

I couldn't see at all how Ward could win any round from 1-6. None of them.

The only one where I was in a different place was round 12. I did give that to Ward because I felt he was landing sharper down the stretch. That's how he should have been fighting the whole time.

That's how I had it. I gave rounds 1-6 for Kovalov and round 10. While Ward I felt got Round 7-12 excluding 10.

BUT Round 10 I felt was a toss up as well as rounds 5,6, &12

KOV. CLEARLY won 1-4. While Ward CLEARLY won 7-9, 11.

No ROBBERY either way.

[marvin douglas]

I had it ward 118-111. Easy fight. Kov was doing the holding. great defense by ward and he landed the more meaningful punches

exactly the way i had it.

[davidw9785]

SOG, the new champion.

SOG, the new Timothy Bradley.

That decision was BS. No way Ward won round six rounds straight (7-12) like McKale and Trowbridge had. No way Ward won six rounds straight (6-11) like Clements had. I bought the PPV. I watched it live. The challenger has to TAKE it from the champ. He can't be gifted a decision like that.

[hitking]

I would like to borrow Dr Rumacks post from another thread, and post it here:

It's important to recognise why that happens too. There's a huge problem with narrative bias when a guy like Ward fights. If the round is low action, he seems to win by default, without actually having to score himself. He gets credit for defence. But Kovalev gets no credit. When Kovalev blocks and slips shots, making Ward miss, it doesn't matter. Kovalev's defence is not part of the narrative. Only his offence. Whereas Ward gets credit for both. So Kovalev can only win rounds by landing heavy flush shots. Whereas Ward can win the round with a couple of spear jabs.

I'm sick of seeing it. Both guys should have to score at the same level to win. In boxing at the moment it's like a soccer team playing ultra defensive against an attacking team, and being awarded the win without actually having to score themselves.

I agree, but here's the problem. When a round is relatively even, most people with your mentality side with the puncher. So it goes both ways. You can't get upset when a perceived "boxer" gets the benefits of doubt when a round lacks fireworks. But then expect a puncher to receive the benefits of doubt when the connects are relatively equal.

[TheWinners]

Ridiculous in what way?

I find it hilarious when people complain that a fight isn't scored a split decision... it was a close fight that could have gone either way, loads of 50/50 rounds, I don't get how its questionable that three judges scored a very close fight the same way, it wasn't like there was a 117-110 scorecard in there. How can it be deemed controversial because none of the judges disagreed with each other?

Some people with common sense who watch boxing enough can recognize that fights that close usually has at least one judge seeing the fight the other way. I'd say it's highly unusual and ridiculous that 3 judges had the same score to a fight many seen go the other way. I myself did not have Ward winning the fight. Even if it was scored 6-6 Kovalev wins off the kd. I can't give Ward 7 rounds in that fight. And many other people didn't. But each judge had the same score? Yep nothing strange!

[King_]

I agree, but here's the problem. When a round is relatively even, most people with your mentality side with the puncher. So it goes both ways. You can't get upset when a perceived "boxer" gets the benefits of doubt when a round lacks fireworks. But then expect a puncher to receive the benefits of doubt when the connects are relatively equal.

To be fair, I am not one of those "I only like brawlers. Ward is boring," type fans. I'm a fan of the sweet science, I promise. I actually think if anything, Kovalev is an unfortunate product of the "face first brawler" mindset a lot of fans have nowadays. If people wouldn't make 1000s of post every year saying "Ward is boring. Boxing is boring. I hate runners," Kovalev would of probably gotten more appreciation for his "boxing" last night.

But, I actually think the opposite of your last sentence. I don't give Kovalev the close rounds because he's the puncher- I legitimately think he outboxed the boxer, with good boxing.

Somebody just posted that this is Calzaghe-Hopkins all over again and people will disagree on this for a decade..... I dunno about a decade- but this **** is going to be like this every day until the rematch and a "decisive victory" is achieved

[Nomadic]

SOG, the new Timothy Bradley.

That decision was BS. No way Ward won round six rounds straight (7-12) like McKale and Trowbridge had. No way Ward won six rounds straight (6-11) like Clements had. I bought the PPV. I watched it live. The challenger has to TAKE it from the champ. He can't be gifted a decision like that.

He brought the fight to a champ that has been KO'ing fighters and promised to break Ward. Besides the first two rounds, he looked mediocre against Ward.

[Dean_Razorback]

is it me or the right hand that dropped ward was very similar to the one that chino landed on floyd in their rematch, in the third round? the action seem similar to me with kovalev anticipating ward

[TheUptownKid]

I saw maybe maybe 5 definitive rounds in the whole fight. That being the case a 10 punch per round landing rate by either isn't world shattering. We saw a good competitive fight with minimal action but loads of effort. Skill was evident. Not mad at the result.