Super Middleweights better than Joe Calzaghe?

[Robbie Barrett]

Prime Roy Jones Jr?
Andre Ward?
How does Froch fare against him?
Golovkin if he moved up?
Anyone else?

I think Joe is an ATG, he never ducked anybody but arguably the division was weak when he dominated it.

Thoughts?

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[Dodger07]

Joe outworks Ward for controversial decision win
Joe loses in competitive fight against james toney
Joe outboxes Froch and GGG in tough decision wins
Joe loses a one sided decision to roy Jones

[soul_survivor]

Prime Roy Jones Jr?
Andre Ward?
How does Froch fare against him?
Golovkin if he moved up?
Anyone else?

I think Joe is an ATG, he never ducked anybody but arguably the division was weak when he dominated it.

Thoughts?

What are you asking? Who was better at 168 or who could theoretically beat Calzaghe?

Because Calzaghe is the best super middleweight of all time, when using the criteria normally used to rank guys all time.

H2H, it's a tough one. I feel Calzaghe beats both Ward and Froch and I doubt there should be nay debate on there.

A prime Eubank, Benn and Jones would be tough though.

[jmrf4435]

None, it's a weird division.

If ward beats kov that will be at 175 soooooo--I would NOT say Calzaghe is better than Ward.

KESSLER SAID CALZHAGE WAS THE TOUGHER FIGHT. Said that Ward juts headbutted which made the fight hard.........that's the best evidence we have guys

[Cutthroat]

None, it's a weird division.

If ward beats kov that will be at 175 soooooo--I would NOT say Calzaghe is better than Ward.

KESSLER SAID CALZHAGE WAS THE TOUGHER FIGHT. Said that Ward juts headbutted which made the fight hard.........that's the best evidence we have guys

Kess got stopped against Ward, that's why, it was complete domination by a green 25 year old, Ward. Kess stole at least 3rds from Calzaghe and fought with an injured hand.

Ward and Joe also have another opponent in common, Bika. Ward shut off Bika's head attack while Joe struggled and got tagged repeatedly with clean blows to the head.

Joe is massively overrated, he got dropped by old man Hopkins and RJJ, he's arguably lost to Robin Reid. We saw what Kovalev and Ward did to his 2 career defining wins as well, Hopkins and Kess.

Fighters like Bika and Reid are pushing this guy, RJJ and Hopkins are dropping him, I'd say guys like Ramirez, Degale, Jack more than have a chance.

[Sid-Knee]

Kess got stopped against Ward, that's why, it was complete domination by a green 25 year old, Ward. Kess stole at least 3rds from Calzaghe and fought with an injured hand.

Ward and Joe also have another opponent in common, Bika. Ward shut off Bika's head attack while Joe struggled and got tagged repeatedly with clean blows to the head.

Joe is massively overrated, he got dropped by old man Hopkins and RJJ, he's arguably lost to Robin Reid. We saw what Kovalev and Ward did to his 2 career defining wins as well, Hopkins and Kess.

Fighters like Bika and Reid are pushing this guy, RJJ and Hopkins are dropping him, I'd say guys like Ramirez, Degale, Jack more than have a chance.

Ward didn't stop Kessler. It went to the cards because of the repeated illegal headbutts from Ward.

Throw in the fact that he illegally clinched all night which should have resulted in Ward being DQ'd.

Ward/Bika was a close fight that I had 115/113 for Ward. Those corrupt score cards they came back with in having Ward taking every round were disgusting.
Whereas Calzaghe won 11 out of 12 in his fight with Bika.
Not forgetting that Bika had been out of the ring for 18 months and was rusty.

The timing of the shot against Hopkins was what done it, not power. So how does that make Joe overrated?? That doesn't even make any sense.

Joe didn't lose to Reid so stop playing games. 116/112 I had it. It was a clear win.

[Cutthroat]

Ward didn't stop Kessler. It went to the cards because of the repeated illegal headbutts from Ward.

Throw in the fact that he illegally clinched all night which should have resulted in Ward being DQ'd.

Ward/Bika was a close fight that I had 115/113 for Ward. Those corrupt score cards they came back with in having Ward taking every round were disgusting.
Whereas Calzaghe won 11 out of 12 in his fight with Bika.
Not forgetting that Bika had been out of the ring for 18 months and was rusty.

The timing of the shot against Hopkins was what done it, not power. So how does that make Joe overrated?? That doesn't even make any sense.

Joe didn't lose to Reid so stop playing games. 116/112 I had it. It was a clear win.

Ward dominated Kessler, Kessler was getting roughed up in the clinches because he couldn't fight out of them which he could've. He lost the battle of the jabs immediately, he couldn't cut off the ring, he couldn't avoid Ward's power punches either. He made Kessler look amateurish, Ward beats him 10/10.

Bika-Ward was not that close especially after Ward adjusted, I watched the fight, Ward got nailed with a hard left in round 3 or so, after that he shut off Bika's head attack completely. All Bika could do was land occasional body shots in exchange for head shots, whereas Calzaghe was eating head shots all night.

Joe got dropped by Hopkins AND RJJ. The timing was right? As if other boxers are unable to time a punch, I'd pick Ward to drop him at least once.

Joe struggled with Reid, he struggled with Byron Mitchell too. Again, Reid, Mitchell, Bika, all are able to go toe to toe with Calzaghe and push him, but you want to crown this guy king?

Can you imagine the shyt Ward would get struggling with Byron Mitchel or Reid?

[Chrismart]

Prime Jones, Ward, Froch

I think Jones beats him, but he beats Ward and Froch in competitive fights.

[Earl-Hickey]

Ward
Hopkins
Toney
Darrell (both)
Bayou jack

[Thraxox]

Ward dominated Kessler, Kessler was getting roughed up in the clinches because he couldn't fight out of them which he could've. He lost the battle of the jabs immediately, he couldn't cut off the ring, he couldn't avoid Ward's power punches either. He made Kessler look amateurish, Ward beats him 10/10.

Bika-Ward was not that close especially after Ward adjusted, I watched the fight, Ward got nailed with a hard left in round 3 or so, after that he shut off Bika's head attack completely. All Bika could do was land occasional body shots in exchange for head shots, whereas Calzaghe was eating head shots all night.

Joe got dropped by Hopkins AND RJJ. The timing was right? As if other boxers are unable to time a punch, I'd pick Ward to drop him at least once.

Joe struggled with Reid, he struggled with Byron Mitchell too. Again, Reid, Mitchell, Bika, all are able to go toe to toe with Calzaghe and push him, but you want to crown this guy king?

Can you imagine the shyt Ward would get struggling with Byron Mitchel or Reid?

Kessler can't "Cut off the Ring" And the first 20 seconds the commentators were already mentioning. "Mikkel Kessler Cuttign off the ring, Ward has to be careful against the handspeed."