Comments Thread For: Arum Still Blames Mayweather-Pacquiao For Boxing's PPV Decline

[Deevel916]

There just arent any superstars that can capture the attention of the masses anymore.

Canelo?... He was riding a nice wave until he blatantly ducked GGG and lost tons of respect. Even from his Mexican fanbase.

GGG?... Fan friendly style but can't seem to lock in a worthy opponent in order to take his stardom to the next level. He's literally been or being ducked by every single title holder in his division.

Pac?... He has one foot in and one foot out of the sport and nobody is excited about his upcoming match vs Vargas.

Ward?... Excellent boxer but is as bland as sugar free vanilla ice-cream. He has no personality or charisma, nor does he posses a fan friendly style.

Kovalev? ... Great fighter with a fan friendly style but doesnt have the right promotional team behind him.


The other guys like Thurman, Garcia, Porter, etc just arent active enough. They're fighting once, maybe twice a year. Casuals arent waiting around for one of these guys to be in a "real fight"

[Rikanlynx86]

Why did Cotto -Canelo do so well?

Because pr and Mexico always support their stars. Also, add the casuals and standard boxing fans to that and u get big ppv l, but when pr and Mexico have a rivalry with 2 big ticket sellers, it will always do good business. Canelo and Cotto always had good crowd support

[SteveM]

The fight is a big reason for the decline. I knew a few people who never watched boxing, and tuned into pac vs floyd. Safe to say they haven't watched the sport since.

I watched this fight with a friend. He is/was not a boxing fan but he had heard of Mayweather.

In the days before the fight I explained to him the whole darn history. Who Mayweather was, why people tuned in to see him lose. Who Pac was. How the fight was 5 years overdue. We even watched a few vids of historical fights.

So he knew what to expect. Then came the night. After 4/5 rounds he said "well this is kind of boring isn't it, there's no fight going on".

[The Big Dunn]

The notion that Floyd/Manny is the cause of PPV sales being down is utterly stupid. What Floyd/manny showed that if that boxing is still capable of putting on huge events when the big stars fight.

The problem is the fighters are not as good as selling themselves as Floyd was. You got to give people a reason to buy the fight. Too many posters forget this. You guys think what sells a fight is how good the fight is. Really??

How many of you have ever purchased a PPV 5 or 6 rounds into the fight because someone told you it was great? My guess is most of you will wait for the replay or find a stream to watch it.

How does it help a fighters sales if his fans all watch his fights on streams and you tube after the fact and don't buy a ticket or ppv before the fight?

Fans buy fights for different reasons but always BEFORE the fight happens. If you as a fighter can't connect with fans and give them a reason to watch you then you get what we are getting now.

[SteveM]

There just arent any superstars that can capture the attention of the masses anymore.

Canelo?... He was riding a nice wave until he blatantly ducked GGG and lost tons of respect. Even from his Mexican fanbase.

GGG?... Fan friendly style but can't seem to lock in a worthy opponent in order to take his stardom to the next level. He's literally been or being ducked by every single title holder in his division.

Pac?... He has one foot in and one foot out of the sport and nobody is excited about his upcoming match vs Vargas.

Ward?... Excellent boxer but is as bland as sugar free vanilla ice-cream. He has no personality or charisma, nor does he posses a fan friendly style.

Kovalev? ... Great fighter with a fan friendly style but doesnt have the right promotional team behind him.


The other guys like Thurman, Garcia, Porter, etc just arent active enough. They're fighting once, maybe twice a year. Casuals arent waiting around for one of these guys to be in a "real fight"

Green K for a [somewhat] concise explanation. Golovkin could become a Pac kind of figure but needs about 3 meaningful fights - suppose he ko'd eubanks jacobs and saunders - yeah, he'd probably be able to crack a million and a half with Canelo - but thats not happening and even if it did he is at the end of his career.

Crawford or Spence could become another star but they are too inactive and in case of Bud 140 is never the best division - so he can stay there and be a monster or move up to glamorous 147.

I'm guessing that the next big ppv star is still off the radar.

[SplitSecond]

The event was horrible, the most watched boxing event ever and the way I remember it was just a sht show of an undercard.

[SteveM]

The notion that Floyd/Manny is the cause of PPV sales being down is utterly stupid. What Floyd/manny showed that if that boxing is still capable of putting on huge events when the big stars fight.

The problem is the fighters are not as good as selling themselves as Floyd was. You got to give people a reason to buy the fight. Too many posters forget this. You guys think what sells a fight is how good the fight is. Really??

How many of you have ever purchased a PPV 5 or 6 rounds into the fight because someone told you it was great? My guess is most of you will wait for the replay or find a stream to watch it.

How does it help a fighters sales if his fans all watch his fights on streams and you tube after the fact and don't buy a ticket or ppv before the fight?

Fans buy fights for different reasons but always BEFORE the fight happens. If you as a fighter can't connect with fans and give them a reason to watch you then you get what we are getting now.

Sure it showed that. It ALSO showed that boxing has the ability to create a huge disappointment. As a casual who has just shelled out $100 and maybe invited friends and family around to watch - you're going to remember the disappointment or the excitement of that evening. If you were disappointed badly - why repeat?

[The Big Dunn]

Green K for a [somewhat] concise explanation. Golovkin could become a Pac kind of figure but needs about 3 meaningful fights - suppose he ko'd eubanks jacobs and saunders - yeah, he'd probably be able to crack a million and a half with Canelo - but thats not happening and even if it did he is at the end of his career.

Crawford or Spence could become another star but they are too inactive and in case of Bud 140 is never the best division - so he can stay there and be a monster or move up to glamorous 147.

I'm guessing that the next big ppv star is still off the radar.

Manny got to where he was by beating and upsetting HOF opponents. Eubanks, jacobs and Saunders are not HOF level fighters.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

There just arent any superstars that can capture the attention of the masses anymore.

Canelo?... He was riding a nice wave until he blatantly ducked GGG and lost tons of respect. Even from his Mexican fanbase.

GGG?... Fan friendly style but can't seem to lock in a worthy opponent in order to take his stardom to the next level. He's literally been or being ducked by every single title holder in his division.

Pac?... He has one foot in and one foot out of the sport and nobody is excited about his upcoming match vs Vargas.

Ward?... Excellent boxer but is as bland as sugar free vanilla ice-cream. He has no personality or charisma, nor does he posses a fan friendly style.

Kovalev? ... Great fighter with a fan friendly style but doesnt have the right promotional team behind him.


The other guys like Thurman, Garcia, Porter, etc just arent active enough. They're fighting once, maybe twice a year. Casuals arent waiting around for one of these guys to be in a "real fight"

agree 100% outside of Pac and May and maybe Cotto no one was getting near 600 or more ppv buys

[The Big Dunn]

Sure it showed that. It ALSO showed that boxing has the ability to create a huge disappointment. As a casual who has just shelled out $100 and maybe invited friends and family around to watch - you're going to remember the disappointment or the excitement of that evening. If you were disappointed badly - why repeat?

I understand your point but I think you are way off. For this argument to be valid it assumes fans buy fights for reasons other than the fighters in it.

If Floyd/Manny was great, why would that make someone buy a fight without Floyd or Manny in it?

People didn't buy ODH fights because Tyson was great on PPV. People purchased Tyson and ODH fights for them. Roy Jones was as exciting if not more than both and he was never a big seller of PPV's.

The individual fighter needs to find a way to connect with the audience to give them a reason to buy a fight.

Perhaps the lack of PPV is a reflection of so few fights on TV in the last 10 years, its been increasingly harder for fighters to develop this skill that will help them sell a PPV.