Haymon exposes GBP slave contracts & shows why he's the smartest man in boxing.

[killakali]

bingo. you hit the nail on the head. Oscar exposed Haymon and he had to drop his slave clause that doesn't allow his fighters to sign with promoters and he also exposed the pbc monopoly which made haymon drop his exclusivity with fox, nbc, spike, espn etc.

[Motorcity Cobra]

you've got a little something on your chin, right there below your lip.

might want to wipe that off........

As a promoter I can understand why you'd be upset the power structure is switching from promoter to the guys who get punched in the face. If PBC works then boxing promoters will be forced to operate like promoters in every other industry. Pay the fighters what they're asking for. Promote the show. Hopefully make money. Promote a comedy show. That comedian doesn't give a damn if you make a dime or not. You better pay him what ya'll agreed to. It's on you to promote the show and turn a profit. The comedian job is to be funny. The promoter job is to promote the show and make people want to buy it. The fighters job is to fight. The promoters job is to promote the show and make people want to buy it.

[OnePunch]

As a promoter I can understand why you'd be upset the power structure is switching from promoter to the guys who get punched in the face. If PBC works then boxing promoters will be forced to operate like promoters in every other industry. Pay the fighters what they're asking for. Promote the show. Hopefully make money. Promote a comedy show. That comedian doesn't give a damn if you make a dime or not. You better pay him what ya'll agreed to. It's on you to promote the show and turn a profit. The comedian job is to be funny. The promoter job is to promote the show and make people want to buy it. The fighters job is to fight. The promoters job is to promote the show and make people want to buy it.

maybe you hadn't heard but I retired from promoting 5 years ago. So it wont make me or cost me a dime no matter what these people do.

And FYI, comparing fighters to comedians is pretty silly. Last time I checked, promoters arent funding and directing the development of comedians. Those types of promoters only book established acts with known followings. So unless you are advocating that lesser known fighters all get treated like late night walk-ons at the Improv, then you should stop with the asinine comparisons.....

[The Big Dunn]

and fighters can choose to sign GBP's "slave contracts"

sigh, Haymon groupies don't think their arguments through....Haymon and GBP are both snakes.

Hyperion, its not people that are posting positive things about Haymon that don't know he is a snake. We are reacting to guys who act like Haymon is the only snake or is somehow worse than the others.

Frankly, had Bob done this most of these guys could have cared less. Remember, right or wrong, what Haymon appears to be doing is the exact thing many of those against him said they wanted to see done in the sport.

Haymon may or may not be guilty of violating the Ali act. The court will decide. That said, posters shouldn't pretend that ODH/GBP are somehow a reputable entity that is doing what they do for the fighters benefit.

This isn't the case of a snake eating a helpless child. It's a Kingsnake eating a rattlesnake.

[Bullrider]

Pay the fighters what they're asking for. Promote the show. Hopefully make money. Promote a comedy show. That comedian doesn't give a damn if you make a dime or not. You better pay him what ya'll agreed to. It's on you to promote the show and turn a profit. The comedian job is to be funny. The promoter job is to promote the show and make people want to buy it. The fighters job is to fight.

I don't think Haymon is even interested in making sure his fights were bought or not. Based on ratings, most of them have been abysmal. Seems to me he overpays his fighters, regardless of who they fight, not for altruistic reasons, but to increase his percentage cut. The bigger he pays, the bigger the cut.

It's just mind blowing how he has the stomach to use other people's money *******ly without turning a profit.

[Kigali]

I don't think Haymon is even interested in making sure his fights were bought or not. Based on ratings, most of them have been abysmal. Seems to me he overpays his fighters, regardless of who they fight, not for altruistic reasons, but to increase his percentage cut. The bigger he pays, the bigger the cut.

It's just mind blowing how he has the stomach to use other people's money *******ly without turning a profit.

There's that peasant mentality again

Worrying about rich peoples money and crying when others get paid well.


Not a word about Arum ripping off Manny and lord knows who else.

[Citizen Koba]

That is a super sketchy clause to have in a promoter contract. Didn't expect anything like this to pop up.

I still don't understand why legit names who can draw fans sign multi fight promoter deals in the first f#cking place these days. The boxing universe would be better if more or most name guys weren't with any promoter exclusively.

They sign multi-fight deals for security, man - in theory there's advantages to the fighter too, especially in the event of taking a loss or something.

Funny thing is in these contracts is they read virtually as if they were designed with the intent of blocking guys from signing with Haymon - or perhaps any other 'manager' GBP don't approve of. I can see how GBP could argue they're just protecting their interests, after all, they don't force guys to sign with 'em, but yeah, it does sound a bit dodgy.

[Citizen Koba]

Hmmm. Haymon may be the smartest man in boxing but if you think these absolutely standard examples of legalese are some evidence of extreme intelligence you clearly haven't experienced the joy of speaking to many lawyers.

[DreamerUSA]

That is a super sketchy clause to have in a promoter contract. Didn't expect anything like this to pop up.

I still don't understand why legit names who can draw fans sign multi fight promoter deals in the first f#cking place these days. The boxing universe would be better if more or most name guys weren't with any promoter exclusively.

So much this. I think we have talked about this before and I'm with you, I just don't get why the bigger names don't make their own way.

[OnePunch]

So much this. I think we have talked about this before and I'm with you, I just don't get why the bigger names don't make their own way.

because for most it probably isnt worth the hassle. They can ether pay their promoter to handle that side of things, or they can pay a staff, invest capital, assume risk, and everything else that goes with acting as their own promoter.