Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Golovkin is The One Who is Running - Not Canelo!

[robertzimmerman]

So it's double Golovkin's career best (which he accepted with no PPV backside, which makes it not BS). He should accept the deal because Alvarez is content not fighting him, and frankly does not need him. As long as he can pull in 300K or better PPVs, he's gonna make good money, and Golovkin will never see any of it. Mayweather took a lowball offer from DLH, but after beating him took his position as the cash king in the sport. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. Like I said, Golovkin doesn't have a lot of time left to waste.

It's BS, because even though it's double what GG's earnt, the fight has realistic expectations of grossing somewhere in the region of $70-80m, if not more.

Go and check out the purses that Canelo has made and his PPV numbers when he hasn't fought a big named guy like Floyd and Cotto. Go and do some research and look at his fights against Angulo, Kirkland, Trout, Lara and Smith etc. His fight against Smith has just bombed at 250,000 PPV buys. Although he's more popular than GG and he deserves a bigger split, he simply does not do huge numbers without a big name opponent. He is not Floyd Mayweather.

Look at the guys at MW. Who else can give him the payday that GG can? There is nobody. They both need each other.

Yes, Floyd took the short end against Oscar. But Canelo is not Oscar.

You say he doesn't need him. Yes, he does need him. Who else is he going to fight at MW? He's already under enormous pressure. Unless either guy loses, once one/either/both of them take Jacobs and BJS out of the equation, there'll be nobody left. There'd be possibly Brook at a CW or Eubank, but other than that, they'd have to meet.

People are deluded if they think that Canelo has lots of great options.

[robertzimmerman]

Because Golovkin won't see a total anywhere near that without Alvarez, whereas Alvarez has already exceeded that number. 80/20 to 70/30 Alvarez makes sense. Golovkin is popular, but nowhere near Alvarez's level in the drawing department. The guy is in total mismatches still getting at least 300K buys, and Golovkin is fighting in unification matches not breaking 100K. That's saying something.

Once again, he's just earnt $5m against Brook.

He has the option of fighting at SMW.

If DeGale beats Jack and Smith and GG were to move up, with a great promotion, that could make huge money in the U.K.

How many PPV's would Canelo-BJS do, when BJS hasn't had any U.S. recognition?

How many PPV's would Canelo-Jacobs do?

Canelo can make good money, but he can't make huge money without GG.

GG would give him his biggest payday. It works both ways.

Without a big name opponent, Canelo doesn't do huge numbers.

Forget the 100,000 that GG did in the past. That is now firmly in the past. Again, he's just done 500,000 with Brook and he has great casual appeal, especially in the U.K. and he's gaining more popularity with each fight.

80-20 in Canelo's favour?

You must be smoking the same stuff as Oscar.

It's laughable.

[eco1]

i tweeted him. Better to tell that idiot in the face than write it down here.

[robertzimmerman]

Golovkin is making peanuts at the moment. 10million is more than he'll ever make. Just sign the terms and re-negotiate for a second fight, win or lose.

So sick of Golovkin, his trainer and his fanboys. Either fight Canelo and make 10million, more than you'll ever make ...or move on to 168.

I want to see how bad ass Golovkin is once his power is neutralized at 168lbs. Let's see if he really likes giving us a big drama show.

Since when was $5m peanuts?

It's so easy for someone behind a keyboard to say: "Just sign"

This fight could easily surpass the $60m that Cotto-Canelo generated. So a flat fee is nonsense.

Why is it a given that there would be a rematch?

[robertzimmerman]

Example of flat fee or example of agreeing to a fight months before the actual fight date? Because both have happened before in boxing, just not for a fight projected to make this much revenue. In reality, why does historic precedence mean it's not logical or realistic?

You guys argue about the timing to deflect the view that K2 and Trip have become more business like than they boasted to not be. If the money was 50-50 there would be no arguments from the Golovkin fan boys. The message would just be....hope Alvarez doesn't back out. You know, the same crap said about Ward.

Lastly, using Alvarez last ppv fight as a baseline is statistically slanted. I understand your haste to paint a bad picture but one data point doesn't define Alvarez ability to draw.

Out of curiosity, what does K2 stand to gain or lose by signing an agreement today for a fight next year? The obvious in case someone loses clause would be included in presume.

Nobody signs a flat fee contract 12 months out, from a fight that would gross millions of dollars in revenue.

This isn't quantum physics.

It's really straightforward.

[Shadoww702]

Hahaah i am glad my post got you all upset f-ck face, so you did come out of your momz azzhole after all. But in the reality of things, 540k PPV > 220k PPV cu-nt face no matter how you spinn it, GGG had more PPV then your man cruzh you efin' phag0t, its a fact deal with it just like you coming out of a second hole lol.

God DAMN YOUR FKN even DUMBER than I thought was EVER POSSIBLE!!!!


Brook-Golovkin fight card live in the UK on their PPV channel “Sky Box Office”. UK viewers can order the PPV priced at £16.95

http://www.totalsportek.com/boxing/w...lovkin-online/


Canelo vs Smith PPV COST $65.00

[Shadoww702]

Hahaah i am glad my post got you all upset f-ck face, so you did come out of your momz azzhole after all. But in the reality of things, 540k PPV > 220k PPV cu-nt face no matter how you spinn it, GGG had more PPV then your man cruzh you efin' phag0t, its a fact deal with it just like you coming out of a second hole lol.

540K x $16 = $8,640,000

220K x $65 = $14,300,000



MantisToboggan; "peeleft:

[Bjl12]

Golovkin's not taking a deal for a fight that can't happen for another 10 months at the earliest. He can take the deal when it's actually time to make the fight.

Jacobs is standing in the way of a fight being made RIGHT NOW.

No. The original deal DLH/GBP offered GGG was for September, 2016. GGG/Loeffler turned that deal down. Now the earliest GBP is willing to fight them is in 2017.

GGG and his team ran like ******* when offered a real opponent.

Jacobs just wants his due money - like GGG and his team are requiring - but it's hypocrisy by you (the cancerous fanclub) and GGG/Abel

[Shadoww702]

What work will they be doing exactly?

Selling the fight for more than $20. Sht you couldn't even PARK at the fight for that!!!

BLAHHHH!!!!! PARKING at Canelo vs. Smith fight COST MORE than BUYING GGG/Brook's fight OR even seeing it LIVE!!!

[robertzimmerman]

So you are presuming that the ppv buys in the UK were all to see Golovkin? Or were they to see Brook tackle the so called monster. The historical numbers say the latter. This is why you don't focus on one data point in any statistical analysis.

Truth...Alvarez made roughly 5M to fight a nobody and about 15M to fight Khan. Golovkin on the other hand made 2M to fight a nobody and 5M to fight Brook.

Seems to me Alvarez can make the Golovkin money up in two fights against named fighters at 154 or 160 where as Golovkin would have to fight 3 to 4 times to make to make the flat fee offer fighting anyone else not named Canelo Alvarez.

No, they weren't all there to see GG, but he has great casual appeal in the U.K. and now the fans are thirsty for more.

There's no way Canelo can make up the money he'd get by fighting GG in just 2 fights, not unless it was a huge name. Also, I think he's done at JMW. His PPV's against Floyd, Cotto and Khan were a big success. But whilst his other fights have brought in respectable figures, they haven't done huge numbers.

GG's popularity is gaining with each fight.

Canelo will soon be officially at MW.

I'm a huge fan of BJS, but he has no appeal from the U.S.

I think a fight against the big punching Jacobs would gross more for Canelo.

Whilst the MW division has got some very good-great fighters in it, they're not huge names. So Canelo isn't going to do huge business with anyone else at MW.

If Cotto-Canelo could gross $58m from 900,000 buys, I'm supremely confident that GG-Canelo would significantly surpass that.

This is a big money fight.

Canelo needs GG just as much as what GG needs Canelo.